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Gertrude cummings
« on: Sunday 20 October 19 15:27 BST (UK) »
Hi everyone, I went back over my family tree and realised I had got incorrect parents for my mother's grandparents and was hoping someone can help work out who Gertrude cummings parents are.  Any help appreciated.

According to the 1939 census Gertrude cummings was born 1st Jan 1888 in birmingham.  She was married to William swinden also born the same year.

William Swinden
Gender   Male
Age   25
Birth Date   1888
Marriage Date   25/12/1913
Marriage Place   Birmingham, St George Warwickshire England
Parish as it Appears   Birmingham, St George

On the 1939 census there's a john cummings born 1890 and could be a sibling.  He's widowed.

I can't find a birth index for Gertrude for 1888.  On her marriage bans, a john cummings is listed as her dad and whose occupation is general dealer.

On a family history site, hints come up for a James cummings and Hannah Warrington or Hannah page.  A Hannah page did have a daughter Gertrude cummings in 1890 but married a James not a john.

I did find a john cummings born around 1855/56 widowed who had a son John and a daughter Gertrude.  On the 1911 census there is a 2 Yr gap between Gertrude and John and John seniors occupation is general dealer. Living in birmingham and born in birmingham. Amelia cummings aged 17 is also listed on 1911 census.

However on the 1901 census Johns birth year changes to about 1859 and Gertrudes to around 1890.  The 1939 census specifies a precise birthdate for Gertrude of 1/1/1888

Any help confirming Johns information and his wife, Gertrudes mum would be gratefully received as I seem to be stuck working this out.

Thanks everyone

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Re: Gertrude cummings
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 20 October 19 15:43 BST (UK) »
Dates of birth on the 1939 register are not always accurate.  You need to ignore the hints from family history sites, they are based on other peoples trees which are often wrong.

What address does Gertrude give on her marriage certificate.

That Birmingham family looks good. (ages on census are also unreliable.)



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Re: Gertrude cummings
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 20 October 19 15:53 BST (UK) »
I have now found her marriage - address Smith St

Her occupation on her marriage is French Polisher which ties in with the 1911 census you found.
Witnesses were John Swinden & Jennie Hancox
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Re: Gertrude cummings
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 20 October 19 15:57 BST (UK) »
Transcriptions and NBI are merely finding aids.  They are NOT a substitute for original record entries.
Remember - "They'll be found when they want to be found" !!!
If you don't ask the question, you won't get an answer.
He/she who never made a mistake, never made anything.
Archbell - anywhere, any date
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Re: Gertrude cummings
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 20 October 19 16:21 BST (UK) »
I think that this may be the family in 1891 - living Queens Road, Aston.  Same address as in 1901
RG12 / 2437 f10 p16

John Cummins age 28 occ Iron Wire Drawer bn Birmingham
Fanny Cummins age 31 bn Bidford, Warwickshire
Emily Brayne age 10 bn Birmingham
Gertrude Brayne  age 11 months born Birmingham
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Re: Gertrude cummings
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 20 October 19 16:24 BST (UK) »
Birth June qtr 1890   
Gertrude Brayne    (no mothers maiden surname listed on GRO index)
Birmingham    6d   174

Emily Brayne's birth was registered December qtr 1880
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Re: Gertrude cummings
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 20 October 19 16:36 BST (UK) »
CUMMINS, JOHN       mmn BRAYNE 
1892  March Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 406

CUMMINS, ALICE  AMELIA     mmn BRAYNE 
1894  March Quarter in ASTON  Volume 06D  Page 431
 
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Re: Gertrude cummings
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 October 19 16:53 BST (UK) »
I have now found her marriage - address Smith St

Her occupation on her marriage is French Polisher which ties in with the 1911 census you found.
Witnesses were John Swinden & Jennie Hancox

Hi Rosie, yes that's the details I found.  But on the 1901 census ages change but same people. 

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