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Re: John Ormond and Katherine Henderson of Forfar, married 1767
« Reply #9 on: Monday 28 October 19 20:45 GMT (UK) »
You're perfectly correct. Even if someone did live there, which looks a bit unlikely, it would be a very long way to travel to Forfar for a baptism. Also if he had been resident outside the parish of Forfar, it would be usual for the parish of residence to be noted in the record.

I'm sure there must have been other Nethercraigs but none spring immediately to mind.
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Re: John Ormond and Katherine Henderson of Forfar, married 1767
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 29 October 19 12:54 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone find any marriage/death record for Jean Ormond (John and Katherine's daughter) who was baptized in Forfar in 1768? This might help yield more clues about John but I've been unsuccessful so far.

Also tried looking for the baptism records of other children post-1776 but not been able to find anything.

North West, North Wales and Isle of Man:

Ward, Campbell, Cowin, Cowell, Parry, Fryer, Davies, Hughes, Briscoe, Jones, Spencer, Brownbill, Crowfoot, Nield, Randles, Youde

Gozo, Malta:

Apap / De Apapis, Camilleri, Grech, Muscat, Micallef, Custo, De Nasi

Angus, Scotland:

Ormond, Salmond, Cook, MacDonald

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Re: John Ormond and Katherine Henderson of Forfar, married 1767
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 29 October 19 13:24 GMT (UK) »
There are 3 marriages for a Jean Ormond that fit her time frame and approximate locality.

1.  Dundee       19/8/1792 to Robert Fairweather   -  SP Index  Ref.  282/130 225
2.  Dundee       5/5/1788   to James Maxwell         -  SP Index  Ref. 282/130 114
3.  Panbridge    20/5/1798 to Robert Smart           -  SP Index  Ref. 316/20 338

One death for Jean Ormond - Dundee - 28/5/1846 - age 78 - Linked to James Maxwell  -  Ref. 282/280 104

You can view the originals at scotlandspeople.

As they are all pre official registration in 1855 you will probably get minimal information.

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Re: John Ormond and Katherine Henderson of Forfar, married 1767
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 29 October 19 13:42 GMT (UK) »
There are 3 marriages for a Jean Ormond that fit her time frame and approximate locality.

1.  Dundee       19/8/1792 to Robert Fairweather   -  SP Index  Ref.  282/130 225
2.  Dundee       5/5/1788   to James Maxwell         -  SP Index  Ref. 282/130 114
3.  Panbridge    20/5/1798 to Robert Smart           -  SP Index  Ref. 316/20 338

One death for Jean Ormond - Dundee - 28/5/1846 - age 78 - Linked to James Maxwell  -  Ref. 282/280 104

You can view the originals at scotlandspeople.

As they are all pre official registration in 1855 you will probably get minimal information.

Dorrie

Thanks Dorrie, I may look into these marriage records. Won't bother looking at death record as, as you say, there probably won't be much relating to her parents on it.
North West, North Wales and Isle of Man:

Ward, Campbell, Cowin, Cowell, Parry, Fryer, Davies, Hughes, Briscoe, Jones, Spencer, Brownbill, Crowfoot, Nield, Randles, Youde

Gozo, Malta:

Apap / De Apapis, Camilleri, Grech, Muscat, Micallef, Custo, De Nasi

Angus, Scotland:

Ormond, Salmond, Cook, MacDonald


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Re: John Ormond and Katherine Henderson of Forfar, married 1767
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 29 October 19 14:03 GMT (UK) »
I would look at the one in Dundee to James Maxwell first which links up with the death in 1846 as the age fits your Jean Ormond.

Good Luck and keep us updated.

Dorrie
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Patrick, Fife
Easson, Fife
Leslie, Fife
Paterson, Fife

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Re: John Ormond and Katherine Henderson of Forfar, married 1767
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 29 October 19 17:41 GMT (UK) »
I would look at the one in Dundee to James Maxwell first which links up with the death in 1846 as the age fits your Jean Ormond.

Good Luck and keep us updated.

Dorrie

unfortunately not, just read the marriage to James Maxwell, and this Jean Ormond was daughter of a deceased David Ormond of Dundee. It would seem that this Jean Ormond was born in 1868 in Dundee.
North West, North Wales and Isle of Man:

Ward, Campbell, Cowin, Cowell, Parry, Fryer, Davies, Hughes, Briscoe, Jones, Spencer, Brownbill, Crowfoot, Nield, Randles, Youde

Gozo, Malta:

Apap / De Apapis, Camilleri, Grech, Muscat, Micallef, Custo, De Nasi

Angus, Scotland:

Ormond, Salmond, Cook, MacDonald

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Re: John Ormond and Katherine Henderson of Forfar, married 1767
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 29 October 19 18:04 GMT (UK) »
Oh well worth a try at least to eliminate her.

Dorrie
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Madden, County Westmeath
Patrick, Fife
Easson, Fife
Leslie, Fife
Paterson, Fife

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Re: John Ormond and Katherine Henderson of Forfar, married 1767
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 30 October 19 09:33 GMT (UK) »
I'm thinking it may be necessary to study the 4 other John Ormonds [listed on page 1 of this forum post] born in Angus between 1730 and 1750 in order to eliminate them from my search to determine which of the baptism records is my John Ormond, which will require me studying other marriage records.

Unfortunately this is further complicated by 3 of the 5 John Ormonds having a father also called John. Another issue is that it seems as though a few John Ormonds from other nearby parishes moved into Forfar (probably due to the linen weaving trade in the town).
North West, North Wales and Isle of Man:

Ward, Campbell, Cowin, Cowell, Parry, Fryer, Davies, Hughes, Briscoe, Jones, Spencer, Brownbill, Crowfoot, Nield, Randles, Youde

Gozo, Malta:

Apap / De Apapis, Camilleri, Grech, Muscat, Micallef, Custo, De Nasi

Angus, Scotland:

Ormond, Salmond, Cook, MacDonald

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Re: John Ormond and Katherine Henderson of Forfar, married 1767
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 30 October 19 11:52 GMT (UK) »
Other John Ormond marriages in Angus between 1740 and 1780:

JOHN ORMAND
AGNES WEBSTER
03/02/1754
Mains and Strathmartine

JOHN ORMOND
MARGARET WEBSTER/
25/05/1755
Forfar

JOHN ORMOND
AGNES CANTIE/
08/06/1749
Monifieth

JOHN ORMOND
ELIZABETH SOUTAR/
28/04/1770
Dunnichen
North West, North Wales and Isle of Man:

Ward, Campbell, Cowin, Cowell, Parry, Fryer, Davies, Hughes, Briscoe, Jones, Spencer, Brownbill, Crowfoot, Nield, Randles, Youde

Gozo, Malta:

Apap / De Apapis, Camilleri, Grech, Muscat, Micallef, Custo, De Nasi

Angus, Scotland:

Ormond, Salmond, Cook, MacDonald