Albert Heath Smith and father John Smith

[wivenhoe]

(your) Reply #4
"..I have a daughter for John and Mary Ann as Bertha Ca 1874"

(my) reply # 14
"..Who are you researching?.  SMITH is a difficult name to follow with confidence."

Who is Bertha?  Is this the person you are researching?

[CHERAN]

Reference to Albury is interesting.

South Australian Register 20 Feb 1865 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/39129730?
WADE-NELSON.-On the 16th February, by licence, at the Wesleyan Chapel, Brompton, by
the Rev. N. Bennett, Mr. Joseph WADE, of Clare, to Maria, eldest daughter of Mr. Thos. NELSON, of
Adelaide.

The South Advertiser 7 Dec 1876 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/33742841?
WADE.—On the 16th November, at Jamestown,after a painful and lingering illness, Joseph WADE, aged 36 years. His end was peace. Albury papers please to copy.

Evening Journal 7 Sep 1877 p2
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197703827?
WADE.—On the 19th August, at Gladstone, Erastus,infant son of Maria and the late Joseph Wade, of
Jamestown, aged 11 months. Albury papers please copy.

The South Australian Advertiser 8 Jun 1885 p4
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/36307832?
WADE.—On the 5th June, at Jamestown, Maria WADE, relict of the late Arthur WADE, and dearly
beloved eldest daughter of Mr. Thomas NELSON, of Beulah-road, Norwood, in her 47th year. A colonist of 45 years.

https://www.aca.sa.gov.au/records
At West Terrace Cemetery, same plot -
NELSON Hannah  d. 18 Jan 1868   56 years
NELSON Agnes    d. 17 Feb 1883     4 mths

https://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-database-search
South Australia BDM   birth
NELSON   Agnes Hilda May  (father) Thomas NELSON   @ Gilbert   293/413   1882



 

I think that Agnes is the daughter of Thomas and Hannah's son Thomas and her mother is Eliza Biddell born 27 October 1882 at Mallala

[CHERAN]

(your) Reply #4
"..I have a daughter for John and Mary Ann as Bertha Ca 1874"

(my) reply # 14
"..Who are you researching?.  SMITH is a difficult name to follow with confidence."

Who is Bertha?  Is this the person you are researching?

I am reasonably confident the Smiths are working out..... I can't quite pinpoint Bertha's yet though.

I am researching Hannah Adams and Thomas Nelson......  I can't quite figure if its correct that they are on the Emma   none of the passenger lists I see have them on board.... 



then I have them married back in England in 1837  which works with them arriving into Sydney on the Hero of Malone in 1839  with son Thomas on board.  The record has son Thomas on board aged 4 which support his birth being 1834

but then Maria who is meant to have been born
NELSON, MARIA       ADAMS 
GRO Reference: 1838  S Quarter in ST MARY NEWINGTON  Volume 04  Page 308
(perhaps the  baptism 25 July 1839) in Brixton  England   how does she fit into the arrival... 

I have  other children for Maria & Joseph,  Amy, David and Arthur,  Hannah, Charles Joseph and Josephine  and incl. Eggleston Erastus


Are there 2 Thomas Nelson's??
Thomas Nelson senior's death in 1907 he is buried at the Payneham Cemetery and the inscription reads wife Polly   so I have been looking for a 2nd marriage...

 

[wivenhoe]

What do you know about Bertha, born about 1874?.

Who did Bertha marry....when....where?

What death do you have for Bertha....when......where?

What children do you have for Bertha......names........birth dates.........birth places........?

[CHERAN]

Sorry I haven't anymore infor re Bertha other than she possibly born about 1874

so she is still mystery for me!

Cheran

I have siblings for her Albert Heath, Francis Evelyn, Emily A., Walter Herbert, & George Ernest

[Jamjar]

There is a Bertha SMITH marrying a William CURTIS, in 1891:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article208557761

Her husband’s death, 1925: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article89634755

Her death and burial notices, 1942, puts her birth at 1863: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article45747200

Cheltenham Cemetery:

Section J Drive C Path 10(11) Site 350N:
 
Curtis, Bertha 14 Jan 1942
Curtis, Maureen 9 Aug 1929
Curtis, William 31 Jul 1925

Jamjar

[wivenhoe]

Why are you interested in Bertha?

Bertha SMITH b. ~ 1874 -
"..I have siblings for her Albert Heath, Francis Evelyn, Emily A., Walter Herbert, & George Ernest"

If you "have" names you need to give the source. Where did you find the information about siblings for Bertha?

Are you using another researchers material?

[CHERAN]

Firstly I am trying to complete my study and research on the descendants of Thomas Nelson and Hannah Adams...... Albert Heath and Bertha show up in tree on Family search....

The siblings names all come from research and help that others have done for me on this topic and in the post here....

Bertha is just sitting there on her own at the moment with nothing to prove that this correct

Regards


Cheran

 

[Essie]

There was a big gap after the birth of Albert Heath SMITH in Adelaide and the children born at Albury.

John SMITH and Mary Ann NELSON were living at Woods Point in VIC by 1871 where the next two children were born.
Martha Elizabeth SMITH in 1871 - reg #6416
Benjamin Joseph SMITH in 1873 - reg # 2199

Then two more children were born at Wodonga VIC.
William Ludwig SMITH in 1875 - reg #26698
Rose Amelia SMITH in 1878 - reg #12664


Perhaps someone thought Martha was named “Bertha”?


Essie