William Turner born Sandford, Devon in 1828

[Peter L. Mitchell]

Looking for family information about William Turner (born 1828 in Sandford, Devon and his parents (William Turner - yeoman farmer - born circa 1801 in Sandford, Devon and Sarah (nee Stone) born circa 1801). This is what I have on William born 1828:

Birth:              1828 in Sandford Devon.
Occupation:      Shoemaker  (1841); Bookkeeper (1861); Butcher (1881); Bookseller (1891). Living
                          in Upper Holloway, Islington, London.
Spouse:              Mary Hughes.
Married:             12 February 1855.
Spouse's Death:   Unknown.
Children:              William (1857 – 1871).
                      Joseph (27 November 1858 – 16 September 1940).
                      Alfred Charles (1860 - ?).
                      Frederick James (1863 – 1943).
                      Henry Edwin (1865 – 1948).

Spouse:               Agnes (surname unknown) married before 1881.

Census information:   1841 recorded as a shoemaker aged 13 and living in Crediton, Devon.

                                1861 recorded as a bookkeeper living in 18 Queens Street (now Drive), West
                                Derby, Liverpool with Mary (33), William (5), and Joseph (3).

                                1871 recorded as widower living in St. Pancras, London with Joseph (13), Alfred
                                (9), Frederick (7), Henry (5), Mary Roberts (24), Edward Barr (22), and Sarah
                                Turner (70).

                                1881 recorded as living at 34 Grove Road, Islington and married to Agnes (47,
                                from Scotland), Frederick (17), Henry (15), and Sarah (80).

                                1891 recorded as bookkeeper living at 61 Tollington Road, Islington, with Agnes
                                (57) and Charles Robinson (grandson aged 11).

I'm missing the 1851 census details so if anyone can help with that I'd appreciate it.

Any information about William and Sarah also appreciated!

Peter

[Milliepede]

Possible marriage in Islington 4 Oct 1880 William Turner widower father William to

Agnes Finlay widow father David Ross

Occupation for William looks like butcher which matches the 1881 census

[Peter L. Mitchell]

Yes, that looks highly likely. The location and time are a really good match. Thanks.

I might try and search the GRO for information on when Mary died and of what. I'd imagine that she probably died in the islington area.

Thanks,
            Peter

[Milliepede]

Possible for 1851

William Turner 22 farm servant born Sandford Devon

living with John Tremlett as head 39 farmer 2 Tremlett sisters and other servants

Address Sutton Sandford Devon

[Milliepede]

Henry Edwin is born Jun 1865 and there is a Mary Turner death in Sep 1865 age 37.
Mary was 33 in 1861 census so could be her.  West Derby.

[Peter L. Mitchell]

Interesting. My records agree with Henry Edwin being born in 1865, but I don't have a Mary in there. The family was in West Derby at the time, but Mary's birth year would probably be 1828 - the same year as William. Mind you, the records are not exact so I imagine you are probably correct.

The Unassisted Migrants Index has Joseph and Henry emigrating to Melbourne, Australia, arriving on the General Gordon in October 1886. Joseph was 28 and Henry 21.

I have a record of the 1841 census, but I'm starting to have doubts about whether it's the correct William Turner (seems to have been a popular name in Devon at the time). The transcript has him aged 13, occupation shoemaker, and living in the house of Grace Middleweek (laundress) along with several others. More research!

Thanks again for your reply.

Peter

[Peter L. Mitchell]

Additional.

There is also a census record of a William Turner aged 12 living in the house of William Norrish in Sandford, Devon.

I'm also starting to wonder whether our William would have needed to find employment at a young age if his father was a yeoman farmer. Would it have been more likely that he would have had to help on the farm? All ideas welcome!

[Milliepede]

My records agree with Henry Edwin being born in 1865, but I don't have a Mary in there.

I was thinking it might have been the death for Mary (his mother) soon after he was born.

Yes William Turner and Devon unfortunately bring up several options.

Have you found his parents William & Sarah in 1851?

[Peter L. Mitchell]

This is the census information about William (1828) I have from copies of the actual documents:

1841 recorded as a shoemaker aged 13 and living in Crediton, Devon.

1861 recorded as a bookkeeper living in 18 Queens Street (now Drive), West Derby, Liverpool with Mary (33), William (5), and Joseph (3).

1871 recorded as widower living in St. Pancras, London with Joseph (13), Alfred (9), Frederick (7), Henry (5), Mary Roberts (24), Edward Barr (22), and Sarah Turner (70).

1881 recorded as living at 34 Grove Road, Islington and married to Agnes (47, from Scotland), Frederick (17), Henry (15), and Sarah (80).

1891 recorded as bookkeeper living at 61 Tollington Road, Islington, with Agnes (57)
and Charles Robinson (grandson aged 11).

Mary must have died at some time between 1865 and 1871. Her death will be recorded in the GRO but whether she died in West Derby or St. Pancras will complicate the search.

I haven't located William (1801) in the census records, but the 1861 records do not show Sarah living with William(1828) although she is living with them in the 1871 census. I'd suggest that would be a fairly good indication that Sarah was probably widowed some time between 1861 and 1871. What do you think?