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Re: Thomas True circa 1780
« Reply #9 on: Friday 22 November 19 07:55 GMT (UK) »
There is a likely death for Elizabeth in 1853

TRUE, ELIZABETH       78 
GRO Reference: 1853  D Quarter in THAME  Volume 03A  Page 322

Gives a birth year of 1774/75
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
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Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
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Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Thomas True circa 1780
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 23 November 19 06:52 GMT (UK) »
Hello Chempat and Girl Guide,
Thanks for you replies.
Sorry for delay in replying I was out most of the day yesterday.
I still have a question mark over Elizabeth Gardener date of birth as I have, to date, been unable to find a baptism record.
She is not on the 1841 Census with Thomas circa 1781 (aged 60 an agricultural Labourer) and James aged 20 in Ickford Buckinghamshire. Ickford is approx 30 Miles from Clewer therefore I am not sure that this this Thomas and James is correct! Also Thomas in 1851 is a Confectioner compared to a Agricultural Labourer in 1841 (but possible maybe!!)

in 1841 her Estimated Birth Year is abt 1776 she is with her Son John (Class: HO107; Piece: 26; Book: 4; Civil Parish: Clewer; County: Berkshire; Enumeration District: 13; Folio: 8; Page: 9; Line: 6.) in Clewer Berkshire.
In 1851 her Estimated Birth Year is abt 1774 born in Ludgershall she is with Thomas in Shabbington Buckinghamshire.

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Re: Thomas True circa 1780
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 23 November 19 07:33 GMT (UK) »
Thomas in 1851 is a confectioner - have you looked for any another Thomas who is a confectioner in 1841?
Relationships are not stated in 1841, so we are assuming that the people with same surnames are directly related.
Who are you descended from?

'I still have a question mark over Elizabeth Gardener date of birth as I have, to date, been unable to find a baptism record.'
Ages in 1841 often rounded down.
Have you found a baptism for James?

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Re: Thomas True circa 1780
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 23 November 19 07:45 GMT (UK) »
In that 1841 census for Elizabeth and John in Clewer, Berkshire. John, his wife Ann and oldest daughter Mary, are not born in county.
The 2 youngest children and Elizabeth are born in county.
As Elizabeth in 1851 was born in Ludgershall, Buckinhamshire, then that is a mistake by the enumerator, or different person.


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Re: Thomas True circa 1780
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 23 November 19 08:14 GMT (UK) »
I am still trying to find another Thomas True as a Confectioner.
Yes I am assuming that some of the the people with same surnames are directly related, but most of the information is also from family records.
The True family are directly related to my wife via Ernest Arthur Webb 1867 - 1930. His parents are
Thomas Webb 842 - 1894 who married Ann Elizabeth True 26 Mar 1864 St Leonard, Hackney Middlesex. Her Father was John (aka George) 1813 - 1878. His Father was Thomas True married to Elizabeth Gardener.
The 1851 indicates Elizabeth True was born in Ludgershall.
Her son John was baptised 14 Mar 1813 in Brill
Ludgershall is about 3 miles from Brill and is very close to the boundary with Oxfordshire.
The True family, (from family records) moved to the Clewer Area around 1838 - 1839 when John True married Anne Speck who was from the Malton Area Yorkshire.
Now you have given me some more food for thought I will now sit down (when I get some time) and will digest all of the information, and review accordingly.
Thank you for all your input.
Les Fitzgerald

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Re: Thomas True circa 1780
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 23 November 19 08:22 GMT (UK) »
Whats is Thomas's Occp on Johns M/C to Ann Speck :)
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Re: Thomas True circa 1780
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 23 November 19 08:33 GMT (UK) »
Hello trish1120,
That is a very good question.
I have tried several times to try and get a copy, but it seems this document has been "misplaced"!
If it turns up it will resolve several questions, and I will let you know.


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Re: Thomas True circa 1780
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 23 November 19 08:58 GMT (UK) »
Have you applied to the GRO or Berkshire for the marriage record?

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Re: Thomas True circa 1780
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 23 November 19 09:07 GMT (UK) »
I contacted and spoke to Berkshire Record Office who in turn said my best bet was the GRO!
As I also had the GRO record I applied Applied to the GRO and it seems to have been misplaced.
I will try and find my original Order number with the GRO,as that was a while ago now, and contact them again to see if anything has turned up.