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Re: The BARON family in Leiden, The Netherlands in the 17thC
« Reply #18 on: Monday 25 November 19 14:43 GMT (UK) »
All very nice and local, KGarrad.  I've never thought of Holland as being a very extensive country anyway - I wonder how many miles/kilometres it is in fact from top to bottom and from side to side.  I wonder too what capabilities a Dutch "surgeon" had or what tasks he would have been expected to handle (if that is indeed Cornelis BARON's occupation in 1686).  I wonder if they started out as "barber-surgeons" as in this country, England I mean...
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Re: The BARON family in Leiden, The Netherlands in the 17thC
« Reply #19 on: Monday 25 November 19 15:15 GMT (UK) »
Fascinating stuff, with apparently Cornelis junior born 12 years after this marriage...

There seem to have been a "few" kids before Cornelis (junior) although I think that some did not survive childhood:

(Akte)datum (date (of document)): 16-03-1687, Plaats: Noordwijk
Dopeling (Child receiving baptism): Willem Baron
Vader/Moeder: Cornelis Baron/Catrina Baron
Getuige (Witness): Harmanis Vinckestijn, Fransijna Vinckestijn
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(Akte)datum: 05-02-1688, Plaats: Leiden (Hooglandsche kerk)
Dopeling: Josina Baron
Vader/Moeder: Cornelis Baron/Catharina Baron
Getuige: Huijbert Baron, Fransina Vinkesteijn, Ariaantje van Driel
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(Akte)datum: 09-03-1689, Plaats: Leiden (Pieters kerk)
Dopeling: Meijnsje Baron
Vader/Moeder: Cornelis Baron/Catharina Baron
Getuige: Francina Baron, Huijbert Baron, Ariaantje van Driel
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(Akte)datum: 24-09-1692, Plaats: Leiden (Pieters kerk)
Dopeling: Meijnsje Baron
Vader/Moeder: Kornelis Baron/Katharina Baron
Getuige: Christiaan Blom, Annetje Blom, Francijntje Vinkesteijn
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(Akte)datum: 15-01-1694, Plaats: Leiden (Pieters kerk)
Dopeling: Huibert Baron
Vader/Moeder: Cornelis Baron/Catrina Vinkestein
Getuige: Christiaan Blom, Annetje Cornelis, Francijntje Vinkesteijn
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(Akte)datum: 17-04-1695, Plaats: Leiden (Marekerk)
Dopeling:  Hubrecht Baron
Vader/Moeder: Kornelis Baron/Katharina Vinkesteijn
Getuige: Bartholomeus van der Voord. Francina Vinkesteijn, Maria de Reijne
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(Akte)datum: 15-08-1696 Plaats: Leiden (Pieters kerk)
Dopeling: Huibert Baron
Vader/Moeder: Cornelis Baron/Cathrina Vinkestein
Getuige: Bartholomeus van Voort, Christina Ymmerseel
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(Akte)datum: 05-02-1698, Plaats: Leiden (Pieters kerk)
Dopeling: Cornelis Baron
Vader/Moeder: Cornelis Baron/Katharina Vinckesteijn
Getuige: Dirk van Groenevelt, Christina Ymmerzeel
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(Akte)datum: 17-07-1699, Plaats: Leiden (Pieters kerk)
Dopeling: Meijnse Baron
Vader/Moeder: Cornelis Baron/Catharina Vinkesteijn
Getuige: Abraham Lannoij, Klasijntie van Twist
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(Akte)datum: 20-11-1701, Plaats: Leiden (Pieters kerk)
Dopeling: Hubertus Baron
Vader/Moeder: Cornelis Baron/Catarina Vinkesteijn
Getuige: Jacobus Immerseel, Francina Vinckesteijn


FYI: Meinsje is most likely a girl, but Meinse could be a boy



Apparently Hubert Cornelisz Baron married 3 times and Cornelis (senior) might have been a product of his first marriage :

(Akte)datum: 19-03-1656, Plaats: Leiden (Hooglandsche kerk)
Dopeling: Cornelis
Vader/Moeder: Hubert Cornelis/ Mensyen van Groenevelt
Getuige: Trijntyen van Groenevelt, Derk van Groenevelt, Anna van groenevelt
Image: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9QJ-8VJS?i=115&cc=2037907&cat=224002 (left page, second from the top)

(FYI: The following link has children from Hubertís second and third marriages, but none listed for his first: https://www.mijnstambomen.nl/leiden/baron.htm)


N.B.  there is no real need to ask for translations. Google Translate (https://translate.google.com ) does a terrific job nowadays (I have used it extensively for Finnish, Sweedish, German etc research and can't work without it)

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Re: The BARON family in Leiden, The Netherlands in the 17thC
« Reply #20 on: Monday 25 November 19 16:20 GMT (UK) »
N.B.  there is no real need to ask for translations. Google Translate (https://translate.google.com ) does a terrific job nowadays (I have used it extensively for Finnish, Sweedish, German etc research and can't work without it)

TreeSpirit - Have to confess I sometime use it for Dutch :-[
I lived/worked in NL for 16 years - although always with English speaking companies.
And I left there 6 years ago.
So my Dutch is a little rusty ;D ;D
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)


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Re: The BARON family in Leiden, The Netherlands in the 17thC
« Reply #21 on: Monday 25 November 19 16:47 GMT (UK) »

I lived there for about the same amount of time, but left many, many years before you ...
Note: My very last Dutch address was in ... Leiden.  :-)

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Re: The BARON family in Leiden, The Netherlands in the 17thC
« Reply #22 on: Monday 25 November 19 17:41 GMT (UK) »
TreeSpirit and KGarrad,
Thanks so much for all your further input, and there's even more exciting news, as on the advice earlier in this thread from Jayaygee I did contact Dutch tree owner who had Cornelis BARON on it.  And have just received a lovely long communication from her in really fluent English, for all her apologies about her English being rusty.  Certainly puts me to shame...
Anyway, this Cornelis BARON senior, the man who married Catharina VINKESTEIN (sic) in 1686 apparently married several times and also had 7 other children from "unknown relationships", and all in all had 18 children!   A very productive chap.
Possible generations prior  to him she gives as a male BARON born in circa 1600, and before that a male BARON born in circa 1570.  Heady stuff.
Keith