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Jeffery family, gardiners from Kent
« on: Friday 29 November 19 18:02 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for information about the Jeffery family - lots of Richards and Johns - many of whom were gardiners in Kent and E Sussex (Lamberhurst, Wadhurst, etc). I am particularly interested in the Richard Jeffery who came to Canada in 1825 or before. It is said that he was with the household of Sir Peregrine Maitland when he came to Canada as Lieutenant Governor in 1818. That's what I am trying to prove - or not.

Also helpful would be information about where they worked as gardiners.
There may be a connection to Norfolk and the Girdlestone family
This is a new format for me, so I very much appreciate any help you can give.

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Re: Jeffery family, gardiners from Kent
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 November 19 18:23 GMT (UK) »
Welcome :)

You'll get the best out of Rootschat if you give as much detail as you can - so, for example, what age is Richard believed to have been in 1825? Are there Canadian records of his life/death giving information about his background such as a rough birthdate, parentage etc? How is he linked to the Lamberhurst and Wadhurst Jeffery families?

What is the source of the information about his link with Sir Peregrine Maitland? Was Richard a gardener for him?

What is the nature and source of the possible link to Norfolk and the Girdlestone name?
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Re: Jeffery family, gardiners from Kent
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 November 19 20:44 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for your help, I didn't want to be boring.
This Richard (II) Jeffery was born in Lamberhurst, Kent in 1784 to Richard (I) and Abigail (Buss). According to a family history written as part of a pioneer school centennial in 1942, Richard (II) and his father (also Richard) came to Canada with Prince Edward Augustus in 1791, returned to Kent in 1799. While in Canada he designed gardens in Halifax, Nova Scotia and possibly Montmorency House, Quebec. Again according to family papers (not documented) Richard II son, came to Canada with his family (Wife, Elizabeth Stone, and sons John, 1813, Alfred, 1814 and Richard III 1818) along with the household of Sir Peregrine Maitland when he came as Lt. Gov. of Upper Canada in August 1818. Richard II is said to have created the rose gardens for him at his country house near Niagara Falls (Stamford).

Richard II bought land in Vaughan Township, Ontario, just north of Toronto, in 1825 and that is easily documented. I am trying to find out who Elizabeth was - possibly related to the Girdlestones of Norfolk as the youngest son was baptized in Upper Sheringham, Norfolk by the vicar, John Girdlestone. Family legend has it that she was a titled lady, but I've found nothing to support that.

Richard II's son John was baptized in East Grinstead, Alfred in Lamberhurst and Richard in Upper Sheringham.

Richard I, father, and Abigail Buss were married in Lamberhurst in 1781. I think he as born in Wadhurst in 1755. I have no record of Abigail's birth yet. If my search is correct, this Richard's father was John and his mother Anne Cheesman. Death records note this John and I think one of his sons as being gardiners. It gets very confusing with so many Johns and Richards.

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Re: Jeffery family, gardiners from Kent
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 17 October 21 00:14 BST (UK) »
Hi , just found your post in relation to Girdlestones around Wadhurst,

It seems Steed Girdlestone and his partner John Bellamy were land owning Solicitors from Wisbech - Norfolk and held about 800 acres around that area , for some reason . they had much more local land to them  in Norfolk and the Isle of Ely which would have been a lot easier to keep reigns on.

 twitched an interest with Elizabeth Stone - his second wife was Sarah Stone and they had a daughter Sarah Stone G'stone  - if you have any ideas since the original post or know why he would be interested in these lands would love to hear [ or maybe i can give you some pointers ] , Regards.


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Re: Jeffery family, gardiners from Kent
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 17 October 21 03:57 BST (UK) »
No idea whether Richard's wife Elizabeth was titled or not, but just thought I'd point out that on their marriage details in 1811 (which she signed) her surname was Stones, not Stone!

Besides the 3 sons mentioned there was also a daughter Abigail bp.23/9/1816 Sherringham, buried 25/9/1816 Sherringham.

When son Richard was baptised in 1818 Sherringham it wasn't with christian names Richard Girdlestone (as shown on umpteen Ancestry trees) but as Richard Markwick.

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Re: Jeffery family, gardiners from Kent
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 17 October 21 10:16 BST (UK) »
Thanks Annette, looks like complete separate families then which makes it easier !,
 Just to wonder therefore why an Ely solicitor would choose to buy 31/80s share of 800 acres around Wadhurst , and then leave it to his daughters.
 The will only stated Sussex though while all other purchases were given by village , perhaps there's more land to be found!
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Re: Jeffery family, gardiners from Kent
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 17 October 21 21:44 BST (UK) »
Thank you both for your posts. I corresponded with a many times removed cousin who believed that Elizabeth Stone(s) was a contraction for Girdlestone/Gardelstone and was a niece of the vicar who christened Richard Markwick Jeffery in 1818. I too have noted the change in middle name and birth of daughter Abigail. The birthdate for Elizabeth on the gravestone of her son Richard Gardlestone Jeffery is 1779, but I can find nothing of that date in Norfolk - Girdlestone, and again, nothing provable in Sussex/Kent for Stone(s)
There was a Markwick family in East Grinstead at the time Richard & Elizabeth were there.
Mary Child and John Webb were the witnesses to Richard & Elizabeth's marriage.
John Jeffery married Elizabeth Child in 1809 Lamberhurst, Kent - eldest son of Richard J. & Abigail Buss. Brother to Richard Chisman Jefffery who married our Elizabeth Stone(s). I have not been able to trace this Elizabeth Child or link her to Mary Child, the witness.
I am a direct descendant of Richard & Elizabeth and would be delighted to share any information I have about the Jeffery family. They are easy to trace from the time they purchased land in 1825 but to date have not been able to place them in Canada earlier (other than the school reunion paper of 1942).
Any insights you might have to help me find Elizabeth Stone(s) would be appreciated. I will pursue Steed Girdlestone - I too am intrigued that they were so far from home.
I am also interested in the fact that Richard Jeffery II moved around so much at a time when travel was unusual. In 1811 he is in London, in 1813, East Grinstead, in 1814 his son is christened in Lamberhurst and in 1816 he is in Upper Sheringham.

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Re: Jeffery family, gardiners from Kent
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 17 October 21 22:07 BST (UK) »
Thankyou for the info , will try and see if any names for my narrative ,
 Regarding Steed  , it was reported either in country life or through other publications that his Stibbington Hall was left to his daughter by his widow - and then by marriage to John Alexander Vipan, but his wife's predeceased him and all daughters were already happily married , notes not tying up properly ,
 Anyway will get back to you if anything comes up, Cheers.