Unregistered events

[aghadowey]

Sometimes a more rural location makes a birth more likely to be unregistered- perhaps even more so in winter or bad weather.

Quite often, both here and in my own research, I've noticed that 'missing' births are mis-transcribed somehow. In cases where I know details of the family (where they lived before and after missing event, etc.) and missing child (baptism) I sometimes search the registers in that district/sub-district page by page. It may be that the handwriting is hard to read or details slightly different than what I had to start with.

Children born before marriage, stepchildren or foster children can appear in index/register under another surname.

Sometimes a child will be registered under 1 first name, baptised under a different one & appear in later records under yet another one!

I do have one very annoying missing death. Notice appeared in newspaper for a widow who died at son-in-law's residence. Death not indexed, I've searched entire registration district & adjoining ones page by page, searched for son-in-law's surname in Valuation Revision Books under the street (and area). No graveyard records or headstone in plot. It's complicated by the fact that (un-named) daughter married before start of civil registration & if she had any children seems to before registration of births.

I don't think any of the surnames I am looking for is especially unusual. They include Anderson, Corrigan, Hill, Logan, Murphy, Tuohy, Waddell. I've found a truly bewildering range of variations of Tuohy, and quite a few of Waddell (almost all of which can be covered by searching for wad*l*), but is there much scope for varying the spellings of the others?

Andrewson, And*rs*n or And*n
Hill, Hull, Hile, Hele
Murfy, Murphie, McMurphy
Weddell

[Forfarian]

Have to admit that it had not occurred to me to try an f instead of the ph in Murphy, but I have tried most of those variants by means of wildcards. Have also tried using just a given name with no surname.

And I have loads of missing deaths, even ones that should be simple enough. They don't matter too much because Irish death certificates don't tell you anything about the deceased's family relationships unless the death is registered by a relative.

Which reminds me: is there a particular reason why so many births in Ireland are registered by an apparently unrelated woman (possibly the midwife)? The vast majority of Scottish births are registered by the father, some by the mother, and a few by a grandparent, uncle or aunt. It is extremely rare in Scotland for a birth to be registered by an unrelated person, but it seems to be the norm in Ireland.

[Wexflyer]

A suggestion for OP: While this discussion is interesting, and provides useful background information, it does not move your particular interests forward. Why not post some test cases, and see if some of the people here familiar with the north of Ireland can have any better luck? (I have no ancestors in that region).

[Forfarian]

I am actually finding the general discussion very helpful, but am happy to post some of my puzzles for others to look at. Here's one to start with.

Minnie Allen, daughter of Samuel Allen, farmer, Fintona, Co Tyrone, married George Peattie on 29 October 1906 in the Registrar's Office in Belfast. According to the 1901 census she was 22, and according to the 1911 she was 32, so her DoB should have been in 1878/1879, and both say she was born in Belfast.  She was Presbyterian in 1901, and Plymouth Brethren in 1911.

In both 1901 and 1911 there is a Lizzie Pauley in the same household, and Lizzie Pauley was a witness at Minnie's marriage, so I thought this might be a clue. However I can't find a birth for a Lizzie or Elizabeth Pauley either.

[aghadowey]

Minnie is often a nickname for Mary and birth registration for Minnie's son Thomas gives her name as Mary Ann-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1915/01381/1568236.pdf

Also Mary Ann on son George's registration-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01658/1661399.pdf

[aghadowey]

Is this Minnie/Mary Ann?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03067/2124323.pdf

Family in 1901- http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Cecil/Tycanny/1725972/
Samuel family in1911- http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Cecil/Tycanny/855756/

[aghadowey]

Might be a co-incidence?

Martha Allen (parents James Allen & Jane Pauly)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03159/2158736.pdf

Also in Clogher district a Lizzie Pauley married in 1911- Eskermore, father Thomas-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1911/09968/5624258.pdf

Lizzie Pauley, age 27, born Co. Tyrone-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Cheviot_Avenue/230142/
Same age as Martha Pauley- father Thomas, Eskermore-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02689/1990455.pdf
Marriage of Thomas Pauley-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11288/8141192.pdf
Wouldn't be surprised is Lizzie/Martha are same person.

Added-
Marriage of Jane Pauley gives her father as Samuel Pauley-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1866/11545/8246413.pdf

So, if I'm on the right track- Mary Ann/Minnie Allen's father was Samuel Allen and his brother(?) James Allen married Jane Pauley. Jane Pauley's brother Thomas Pauley had a daughter Martha/Lizzie.

[Forfarian]

Is this Minnie/Mary Ann?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03067/2124323.pdf

Family in 1901- http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Cecil/Tycanny/1725972/
Samuel family in1911- http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Cecil/Tycanny/855756/

I don't know. There is an unmarried daughter Maria in the 1911 census, when Minnie was already married, but on the other hand Maria was 10 years younger than Mary Ann. Would they have named one daughter Mary Ann and another one Maria?

How does Tycanny relate geographically to Fintona, and if this is Minnie, she is 2 years older and born in a different county from what the census says

[Forfarian]

Minnie is often a nickname for Mary and birth registration for Minnie's son Thomas gives her name as Mary Ann

Yes. I did check for her as Mary, and I looked at the image of every birth of a Mary All*n or McAll*n in Belfast from 1877 to 1880. I also looked at the index for every birth of an All*n or McAll*n to see if there were any Wilhelminas or unnamed children. There aren't.