Advice please, am I on the correct path

[Bidr]

Advice Please, I am finding this family group overwhelming… am I on the correct path?

1841 Census Piece:710 Book:15 Folio:58 Page Number:33
Jos Lepyeat
Lousia Lepyeat
Ellen Lepyeat
Rebecca Lepyeat

1851 Census Piece:1524 Folio: 673 Page Number: 13
James Lipyeate
Louisa Lipyeate
Catherine Lipyeate
Rebecca Lipyeat
Charles Lipyeat
Edward Lipyeat
Emma Lipyeat
William Lipyeat
Charlotte Lipyeat

The children above on the GRO all have mother’s maiden name as LEWIS

The only marriage I can find is a marriage between a Louisa Lewis and a James Alexander Lipyeat

I then found another lot of children’s baptism certs for these parents:

Louisa Letitia Lipyeat 1828
Joseph Lipyeat 1834
James Lipyeat 1837
William Robert Lipyeat 1848
James William Lipyeat1868

On these five baptism certs the father is listed as James Alexander Lipyeat  but on the previous eight children’s baptism cert’s the father is listed as just James Lipyeat.

I have searched the census looking for other maybe’s families but non to be found. Plus other ancestry trees have extra, different children’s names in their tree?

Are these two separate families or just one, this is an awful lot of children? 
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!



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[CaroleW]

You have posted on the Beginners board and no birth places or ages in your 1841/51 info so we don't know which county is relevant

You give baptisms - but again no county

[Girl Guide]

I wouldn't concern yourself too much with what you find on Ancestry trees.  They tend to be inaccurate and not always well researched.  The best ones are those that give sources for their findings.  Even with those though, it is always best to check for yourself.

I see that James and Louisa married on the 17th May 1827 in Stepney.

I suspect the Jos in 1841 is more likely to be Jas as that was the usual shortened form of James.

There were 14 years between marriage and the 1841 census so quite a bit of time to have plenty of children.  Louisa was only about 16 when she married going by her birth year on the 1851.

If all the baptisms that you have found have the same parents and a reasonably consistent occupation for dad, I think you can take it that they all belong to the same family.

It may be that James had a second name of Alexander but didn't use it much.  You could try finding a baptism for him. 

I'll have a look and see if I can find a baptism for James.

[Girl Guide]

There is a baptism for James Alexander Lipyeat on 18th August 1799 in Stepney, London.  Parents are William and Catherine.

Two of James' children are named William and Catherine presumably after his parents.

[Girl Guide]

This looks like James' death

LIPYEAT, JAMES       60 
GRO Reference: 1859  M Quarter in POPLAR UNION  Volume 01C  Page 428

Gives a birth year of 1799.

[guest189040]

Just because you cannot find information online does not mean that there is none.

It may be that the information has yet to be digitised.

Some Churches have large gaps in what has and has not been transcribed.

Non conformist records vary as to what is online.

There can be mixed church going in a family ie starting CofE and then going Methodist.

Have a look at the online parish clerks records for your area to see what records for the Churches have been digitised?

Then there is the local Archives for the area concerned.

To many online trees make to many incorrect or questionable assumptions.

[Bidr]

thank you all!

[brigidmac]

Looks like same family to me ..as girl guide says Jas can be James and you need to look at original as well as transcript s

Ages of children would be useful
Missing children between census could be boarded out or working from age 12
Not unusual to have big families ..but you do have to check original ...I found the last "child" on one census age 72 ! Was actually the mother living with them .

One family I researched had had 18 children 5 still living by 1911
I've not found the ones who died between census .

Do come back and let us know your findings