Irish Family Search Without any Clues

[Tati]

In Pigot's 1820 Commercial Diary, there seems to be an entry for a Simon Brigley, Engraver/Copper plate Printer at 39 Clarendon street in Dublin (!). Perhaps related?

Tanja 

[imison]

Dear Tanja

You are a master-sleuth and no mistake!

I had not considered DUBLIN but of course it is possible.

I shall certainly consider that one.

Best wishes

IMISON

[Tati]

Emma is Emma Hall in 1901, living in Uttoxeter (marriage in December 1891)

Tanja 

Still plain 'Ireland' as birth place

[imison]

Dear Tanja

How did you do it?!!!

AMAZING.

Thank you so much.

So she waited some while to grieve for her father before marrying at what would then have been considered something of an 'old maid'.  I don't suppose you know of any children?  Who married her: does it give Mr Hall's first name?

Again A BIG THANK YOU for all your research

IMISON

[Tati]

I'm back in 1871, which suggests the Dublin connection again:

RG10/3975
Folio 109 p. 16
Ardwick St Thomas, Lancashire

14 Green Place
Margaret Prince, head, wid, 58, seamstress, b. Yorkshire Doncaster
Sarah Ann Prince, dau, unm, 23, Chemical works, b. Manchester
Ellen Ann Prince, dau, unm, 20, Servant, b. Manchester
Charlotte Marshall, lodger, married, 24, Dressmaker, b. Ireland Dublin
Bertha Marshall, (lodger's) dau, 1, b. (not clear whether it's Dublin or Manchester that is dittoed).

Tanja 


This Charlotte always gives her birthplace as Dublin through the censuses. Also, when a widow, guess what? She's an upholsteress!

[Tati]

RG13/2633
Folio 54 p. 46
Uttoxeter, Staffordshire

Carter Street

John Payne Hall, head, 55, Seed & (?) merchant, employer, b. Uttoxeter
Emma Pauline, wife, 41, b. Ireland
Kathleen M, dau, 7, b. Uttoxeter
Evelyn B, dau, 5, b. Uttoxeter
Mabel G, dau, 3, b. Uttoxeter
Elizabeth Johnson, servant, 21, General servant domestic, b. Uttoxeter

In case you need the reference for the marriage, you can look it up at www.freebmd.org.uk or www.ancestry.co.uk

Tanja 

[Tati]

Also just found this:

Marriages Liverpool December 1866
Brigly, Charlotte
8b 517
Spouse either Patrick Greenan or HENRY MARSHALL 

Tanja 

[imison]

Ah, so it is useful to look for variations of the name then.

BRIGLY without the 'e' but certainly NOT Bigly or Bigley

However, with so many BRIGLEY references, it would seem much more likely to be BRIGLEY and that the others are misspellings.

THANK YOU TANJA - YOU ARE BRILLIANT


IMISON

[imison]

Hello

Just an update of what I found regarding the Irish ancestors.

CHARLOTTE MARSHALL of DUBLIN seems to have 2 birth years as her age changes yet she seems to be one and the same person. WEIRD.

In 1871 she was a married woman, with a !-year old baby daughter, BRENDA MARSHALL. 

They were residing in ARDWICK. 

The child is also enumerated as having been born in DUBLIN like her mother. 

The FATHER is absent although a JOSEPH MARSHALL appears in 1881, by which time there is a SON too. 

The son was not born in Ireland, but in LANCASHIRE.  His name is either SYDNEY or SIDNEY MARSHALL [depending on which census you read]. 

The girl, their daughter [?], BERTHA MARSHALL, is now 11 and residing [though maybe temporarily - we cannot tell] with her grandparents SIMON PAYNE BRIGLEY, an upholsterer, and his wife CHARLOTTE BRIGLEY. 

This is 95% accurate but with guesstimate thrown in as suddenly she drops 2 years in age in  1891 by which time she is shown alone with her teenage son, who is now working in a warehouse.  His mother is an upholsterer.

In 1901 she is described as head of household but she is alone.  Upholsteress.  Again her age is 2 years younger than in 1881, 1871, would have us suppose.

Does anyone have any information on these points?  In 1901 it just says she hails from IRELAND, although the earlier ones specify DUBLIN.

Also, BRENDA MARSHALL was born in DUBLIN about 1870 according to the census in 1871 but in 1881 it says MANCHESTER.

Maybe there were 2 Brenda Marshalls, and maybe we are barking up the wrong genealogical tree, but the evidence to support the theory is somewhat compelling as CHARLOTTE MARSHALL's own father SIMON PAYNE BRIGLEY was an upholsterer.  In 1871 she was a dressmaker. Could she have developed her skills perhaps?  By 1901 it included carpets as well as upholstery. according to the description in the census.

Well, that is as far as I have travelled with the help of everyone on the boards.

So I must thank you all and wish you well on your own journeys.  Should you be able to help throw any light at all on ANY of the family as well as their friends and relations please let me know.

Thank you again

IMISON

PS  Arthur Brigley was the putative nephew of Charlotte Marshall and the putative uncle of Brenda Marshall.
[although he was shown somewhere as BIGLEY, this is now shown not to be likely, and that their had been a spelling error]