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Re: who are Elizabeth Jones parents??
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 28 December 19 22:44 GMT (UK) »
Sorry about confusing Smith as name, - i have so many Smith & Jones' i go cross eyed just thinking about them...  : :o

yes i have baptisms for Elizabeth and Johns chidren, John died Jan 1890 slipping on ice on way to work, his flask of tea pierced his chest  fractured his ribs and punctured his lung :'(


Names i am researching are: Riley, Peaker, Jones,Smith, Dobson, Ford, Humphries, Cross, Peckston, Power, Raby, Raper, Snipe Hulse, Whelan, Darling, Morton, Wild, Moss, Ibbotson, Grimes, Broadbelt, Jowett, Nicholson
Areas of interest: Leeds, Castleford, Wakefield, Kent, Westham, Northumberland, Lancashire, Pontefract,  Flintshire, Liverpool

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Re: who are Elizabeth Jones parents??
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 28 December 19 22:50 GMT (UK) »
just spotted a marriage in 1860 in Liverpool with a John Smith and Elizabeth Jones on the same page, but that John Smith married the other female on the page, Mary Brinckley, - on Lancs BMD.


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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: who are Elizabeth Jones parents??
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 28 December 19 23:14 GMT (UK) »
found possible baptisms

frances Jones 1832 ruthin to john jones Elizabeth Williams,

Elizabith Jones 1829 ruthin to John Jones Elizabeth note spelling of Elizabith


Names i am researching are: Riley, Peaker, Jones,Smith, Dobson, Ford, Humphries, Cross, Peckston, Power, Raby, Raper, Snipe Hulse, Whelan, Darling, Morton, Wild, Moss, Ibbotson, Grimes, Broadbelt, Jowett, Nicholson
Areas of interest: Leeds, Castleford, Wakefield, Kent, Westham, Northumberland, Lancashire, Pontefract,  Flintshire, Liverpool

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Re: who are Elizabeth Jones parents??
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 15 November 23 16:44 GMT (UK) »
Hi all, just trying to tie up this brick wall again, i have now got a better baptism for Francis - on ancestry england and wales non conformists. here it also mentions the mothers parents too. it also has Minera as the area, but the Francis and Elizabeth with the same parents we established married John Evans?. does it fit ?. i have also seen the baptism at same place for Elizabeth in 1829 but it doesnt give parents of mum on there and they were born different place in Wrexham.

would love a fresh pair of eye to help bring this wall down. many thanks
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Names i am researching are: Riley, Peaker, Jones,Smith, Dobson, Ford, Humphries, Cross, Peckston, Power, Raby, Raper, Snipe Hulse, Whelan, Darling, Morton, Wild, Moss, Ibbotson, Grimes, Broadbelt, Jowett, Nicholson
Areas of interest: Leeds, Castleford, Wakefield, Kent, Westham, Northumberland, Lancashire, Pontefract,  Flintshire, Liverpool


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Re: who are Elizabeth Jones parents??
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 15 November 23 20:39 GMT (UK) »
What date is the baptism you have found for Frances?

What are the names of the parents?
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: who are Elizabeth Jones parents??
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 15 November 23 21:24 GMT (UK) »
26th May 1832, her parents are John Jones and Elizabeth Williams, it says Elizabeth parents are Abreham Williams and Betty

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Names i am researching are: Riley, Peaker, Jones,Smith, Dobson, Ford, Humphries, Cross, Peckston, Power, Raby, Raper, Snipe Hulse, Whelan, Darling, Morton, Wild, Moss, Ibbotson, Grimes, Broadbelt, Jowett, Nicholson
Areas of interest: Leeds, Castleford, Wakefield, Kent, Westham, Northumberland, Lancashire, Pontefract,  Flintshire, Liverpool

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Re: who are Elizabeth Jones parents??
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 16 November 23 16:52 GMT (UK) »
the name of Elizabeth's father on that baptism is Ambrose, not Abraham.

This 1851 census with wife Betsy
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG88-HQQ

burial in 1865
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCP9-XBF

2 possible baptisms in Wrexham to the couple, father noted as shoemaker on both
20 Sept 1803 Elizabeth
24 March 1805 Frances

Possible baptism for Ambrose 17 Oct 1779, son of Ambross


Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: who are Elizabeth Jones parents??
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 16 November 23 17:08 GMT (UK) »
John's occupation on the baptism is noted as blacksmith so we're back to this 1851 census again

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG8Z-1SJ
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: who are Elizabeth Jones parents??
« Reply #17 on: Thursday 16 November 23 19:44 GMT (UK) »
Thankyou for that,
although something just doesnt sit right.

Elizabeth b1830 on the 61 census is with her husband John Smith says born 1831 Abenbury Fechan, then if John and Elizabeth are her parents, John married Naomi after Elizabeth dies, and on the 61 census, Elizabeth is on that one too?

i just cannot fathom out who Elizabeth Parents are, especially not finding marriage entry for her and John Smith.

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Names i am researching are: Riley, Peaker, Jones,Smith, Dobson, Ford, Humphries, Cross, Peckston, Power, Raby, Raper, Snipe Hulse, Whelan, Darling, Morton, Wild, Moss, Ibbotson, Grimes, Broadbelt, Jowett, Nicholson
Areas of interest: Leeds, Castleford, Wakefield, Kent, Westham, Northumberland, Lancashire, Pontefract,  Flintshire, Liverpool