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Re: What information would you trust?
« Reply #27 on: Tuesday 07 January 20 19:27 GMT (UK) »
i would nt read anything into him being a private early on
stripes could have come close to end of his service as in
one of mine who got his stripes 1918 enlisted 1906

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Re: What information would you trust?
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 07 January 20 20:02 GMT (UK) »
Well looking at the record for this John McKenzie, Serjeant in the 6th R.V.B under Sir General Paulus Aemilius Irving was Colonel, his birthplace is given as Moy, Inverness-shire which is conflicting with census information where it is stated that John was born in Tyree & Coll.

The date of the document is 28th July, 1814 which is when 8 companies of the Battalion were disbanded at Fort George. His apparent age on this document is 40 years of age, giving a rough birth year of 1774.

It states on his service history that was initially in the 78th Regiment (of Foot) from 23rd Oct, 1797 - 24th March, 1805 and that he was a Private for 7yrs 153days, total service 10yrs 153days, 6 years spent in the East Indies.
From 25th March, 1805 - 28th July, 1814 he was in the 6th R.V.B. He was a Private for 1yr 349days, a Corporal for 7yrs 37days, and a Serjeant for 105days.
I would have thought if my ancestor John had been made a Corporal or Serjeant that this would have been stated on any baptismal records for his children. But in 1808, 1811, & 1812 he is down as a Private in the 6th R.V.B.

I thought that if Serjeant Peter Shaw & Captain James Mathison had been witnesses to Elizabeth McKenzie's baptism in 1808 in Ardersier, that John McKenzie would have known Shaw & Mathison, that perhaps he was either in the same Battalion or Company as them?

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Re: What information would you trust?
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 07 January 20 20:23 GMT (UK) »
its a strong possiblity that they all served together in previous units and where
good friends hence being witness s
after all the RVB  was formed from veterans

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Re: What information would you trust?
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 07 January 20 20:35 GMT (UK) »
Unfortunately on Serjeant Shaw's Document, the regiment he served in prior to the 6th R.V.B is hidden in the fold of the page  :-[

Would all who served in the 6th rvb go on to become Chelsea Pensioners? What would qualify you to become a Chelsea Pensioner?


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Re: What information would you trust?
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 07 January 20 22:35 GMT (UK) »
Just curious for all of your opinions on this -

I've found with the help of a lovely lady on social media, clearer Chelsea Pensioner admission records for John McKenzie born in Tyrie & the other John born in Tobermory.

Both records are dated 30th August, 1814.

John from Tobermory (41yo), is in the Sixth RVB, previously in the 42nd Foot Regiment. It says he served 9yrs 6mos in the 6th RVB & 12yrs 10mos in the 42nd Foot, totalling 22yrs 4mos service in the military. He would have entered the 6th RVB in February of 1805, roughly, marrying Betty Sutherland on 20th May 1805.

John from Tyrie (42yo), is in the Ninth RVB, previously in the 91st Regiment. It says he served 5yrs 1mo in the 9th RVB and 4yrs 6mos in the 91st Foot.

Based on the fact that these are documents dated 30/08/1814, that they are listing their reason/compaint to enter the Royal Hospital at Chelsea, that my John (up until 1812 for definite) was in the 6th RVB, that  and by August of 1815 he was no longer in the military but living on the Isle of Coll - would you also be of the opinion that the more likely candidate to be MY John, would be the one from Tobermory. Out of the two that is.

Hope this makes sense,

Keelan


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Re: What information would you trust?
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 07 January 20 22:57 GMT (UK) »
it read birth of son john, Ardersier  then Campbelltown,
Ardersier is next to fort george,
which suggest census is wrong on place of birth
The full name of the village is Campbelltown of Ardersier, and Fort George, like this Campbelltown, is in the parish of Ardersier. Confuses a lot of people  ;)
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: What information would you trust?
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 07 January 20 23:22 GMT (UK) »
they are listing their reason/compaint to enter the Royal Hospital at Chelsea

Like most pensioners, they are out pensioners, not resident in the Royal Hospital.

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Re: What information would you trust?
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 07 January 20 23:39 GMT (UK) »
fofarian thank you for reminder on campbelltown
old age sorry,
Tyrie is in banff and buchan,
not to sure of the date 30/8/1814
RVB disbanded  28/8/1814
Tobermory would put his birth as Argyll

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Re: What information would you trust?
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 07 January 20 23:57 GMT (UK) »
it read birth of son john, Ardersier  then Campbelltown,
Ardersier is next to fort george,
which suggest census is wrong on place of birth
The full name of the village is Campbelltown of Ardersier, and Fort George, like this Campbelltown, is in the parish of Ardersier. Confuses a lot of people  ;)

Oh so there is a village called Campbelltown in Ardersier?