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Help! 1 catholic wedding & 1 CoE = same people!!
« on: Thursday 09 January 20 14:27 GMT (UK) »
Hi all.

I've tried to sensibly work this wall in my tree out. But I'm stuck and now lost for valid reasons as to why I seem to have a situation where the same 2 members of my family appear to have married twice - once in a CoE then again in a Catholic Church. Could this even happen? I won't bore everyone with the details on here if indeed, it is possible for people to marry in a CoE then again, a few years later, in a Catholic Church. The same people.   ??? ???

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M

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Re: Help! 1 catholic wedding & 1 CoE = same people!!
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 09 January 20 14:33 GMT (UK) »
Well, given my own parents did, I'd say yes.
(Although marriage ceremeony #1 was Methodist)

Were they both RC at the first marriage?
Did one convert for the second marriage ceremeony to take place?

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Re: Help! 1 catholic wedding & 1 CoE = same people!!
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 09 January 20 14:34 GMT (UK) »
I have know  a couple who married in a register office and then married in a Catholic church later, and have chosen that their anniversary date will be the catholic date, which would appear to make the children illegitimate, but of course they aren't, I have never asked them why, wasn't my business to,  there was no family feud

But I do wonder if it is family pressure on the couple you have mentioned or perhaps they changed religion, it would all depend on what the gap is between the 2 marriages

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Re: Help! 1 catholic wedding & 1 CoE = same people!!
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 09 January 20 14:42 GMT (UK) »
What is the date? If it was after 1837 then is only one registered? Which country?

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Re: Help! 1 catholic wedding & 1 CoE = same people!!
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 09 January 20 14:49 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for the speedy replies.  :)
I'll try and keep it straightforward.

I have an Elizabeth Ann Hessey baptised Catholic (her own parents however had 'special dispensation' to marry in the Catholic Church, appearing to be 'mixed religion and her 6 months pregnant...) Anyway. She married Thomas Parkinson (baptised CoE) in 1915 in a CoE Church over the other side of the city. She is 3 months pregnant.They give their ages as 19 and Thomas 23. In actual fact, birth records show they are 18 and 27. (Parents must have known as she would have needed parental permission wouldn't she?)

The first baby is born 6 months later, then 2 more follow. All baptised at St Malachy's Catholic Church - right near where they live, when... in 1921 they appear to marry again at.. St Malachy's ???!!!! Surely a Catholic Church wouldn't have allowed the baptism of their children if they had married CoE?

I am so puzzled. I have checked and checked my records, parent details, witnesses, addresses, occupations, subsequent children - even as far as the 1939 register to see if there was , by chance, another Elizabeth Ann Hessey and Thomas Parkinson! So far, though there were another 2 EA Hessey's born within 10 years in Liverpool, the maiden name of the children rule them both out and one would have only been about 9 I think to have married in 1915!!


I am at a loss to try and even consider what may have gone on here!   :o

Mx

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Re: Help! 1 catholic wedding & 1 CoE = same people!!
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 09 January 20 15:16 GMT (UK) »
The only requrement for RC baptism is that the child will be raised in the Catholic faith.

So line up a couple of good, Catholic god-parents and they'll be good to go.
no matter what the marital situation of the parent(s)
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Re: Help! 1 catholic wedding & 1 CoE = same people!!
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 09 January 20 15:20 GMT (UK) »
Oh wow Pauline, I had no idea about that. Thank you!
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Re: Help! 1 catholic wedding & 1 CoE = same people!!
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 09 January 20 16:59 GMT (UK) »
They gave different fathers names on the two church weddings too but it is the same address on both.
There is only one civil record - the earlier one.

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Re: Help! 1 catholic wedding & 1 CoE = same people!!
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 09 January 20 17:37 GMT (UK) »
As far as I know anybody can marry in a C of E church and so long as certain parts of the ceremony are performed this will be regarded as a valid legal marriage.The Roman Catholic Church would not have recognised this marriage for purposes of baptising any children into the Catholic faith ad would issue a dispensation to marry n the rites lf the RC church.
It is easy to imagine two ceremonies in this circumstance when there may have been some urgency to "legitimise" a child initially

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