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Re: Regards to Entry Book of Passports at The National Archives
« Reply #9 on: Friday 10 January 20 14:14 GMT (UK) »
Charlotte was Charlotte Hill Dalton and she and Thomas married in 1799. Their marriage Allegation is on Ancestry.

Charlotte died in 1858 and probably buried the same place as her son.

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Re: Regards to Entry Book of Passports at The National Archives
« Reply #10 on: Friday 10 January 20 14:28 GMT (UK) »
Well that is interesting Gibel.

Below is the death registration from the GRO

SMITH, RICHARD  HILL     60 
GRO Reference: 1868  D Quarter in PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 9

This certainly fits in with the birth record that you found.

kwaussie may like to consider getting the death cert for this.  Obtainable as a pdf for 7.00

The cert should hopefully give his occupation.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Regards to Entry Book of Passports at The National Archives
« Reply #11 on: Friday 10 January 20 14:38 GMT (UK) »
This appears to be Charlotte's burial record

Surname - Smith
First names - Charlotte Hall
Burial date - 28 January 1858
Authority - Highgate Cemetery
Location - Highgate Cemetery (Camden)

The Hall is probably meant to be Hill as per death registration from GRO

SMITH, CHARLOTTE  HILL     82 
GRO Reference: 1858  M Quarter in SAINT PANCRAS  Volume 01B  Page 162
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Regards to Entry Book of Passports at The National Archives
« Reply #12 on: Friday 10 January 20 16:41 GMT (UK) »
Morning Advertiser 13 November 1868
On the 11th inst at 23 Mornington Road, Regents Park, Richard Hill Smith Esq late of Honolulu, Oahu, only & beloved son of the late Thomas & Charlotte Hill Smith
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Re: Regards to Entry Book of Passports at The National Archives
« Reply #13 on: Friday 10 January 20 16:46 GMT (UK) »
Oh well done Rosie, great find.  That would seem to verify that we have found the right man.  I wonder if his death certificate will be the clincher in referring to him as a doctor?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Regards to Entry Book of Passports at The National Archives
« Reply #14 on: Friday 10 January 20 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi Girl Guide,

Yes, Smyth is his surname judging from the records I have found - I was worried about it being Smith too, but it is Smyth, however in saying that I have seen it as Smith a few times. Having it as Smyth has made it easier to find him though thankfully.

Unfortunately no, I haven't found his marriage to Kaweora, but I have seen whakapapa of Rihari Mete (Richard Smith) of Kohukohu who has his mother as Kaweora (they may not have been married but I can't confirm/deny this as of yet). I did go through the Methodist and Anglican church records in Auckland some years back but I ran out of time to have a good look at them - I was very slowly sifting through them (I live in Australia and time wasn't on my side).

When Richard arrived in the Hokianga he is mentioned in the early books as being a Dr. Smyth/Smith, and when he went to Honolulu he was a Dr. there too practicing medicine under the surname of Smyth.

Wow, I've just seen the rest of the postings by rossie99 and Gibel - it looks like that has to be the Richard Hill Smyth that I have been after, and his surname was Smith, that's interesting. I also saw that Charlotte's surname was Hill, that's even better.

When Richard arrived in Sydney in 1835 on the 'Emma Eugenia', the newspaper article had his name as Richard Hill Smyth (his profession was merchant); some of the newspaper articles that I have found has his name as Richard Hill Smyth (from advertisements that he had placed in the Honolulu newspapers); the ones that he has been a witness to something it is just plain R. H. Smyth, and newspaper articles that mention his name had it as Smith/Smyth. So it looks like it has to be him, and judging from the notice in the 'Morning Advertiser' it definitely has to be him.

Thank you very, very much for finding that Girl Guide, Gibel and rosie99, I really appreciate your help in finding that. If it's too much to ask are you able to send me a digital copy of the newspaper articles please if that's okay? I can message you my email address. Thank you! I have access to Find My Past but not to the newspapers.

Yes, I will definitely order a copy of his death certificate and see what else it mentions there.

Now I have to try and see if Richard links up with another Smith that I am researching on in the Hokianga, a Henari Mete (Henry Smith) who could be the son of Dr Richard Hill Smith. That is another challenge, one I have been working on for many years.

Thank you so, so much for all of your help everyone, I really, really appreciate it, thank you! This is a great help and means a great deal to me, thank you!
Smith - Opononi, Hokianga; Te Kopuru, Dargaville, Northern Wairoa; Paeroa & Te Aroha, Waikato, NZ.
Werahiko - Hokianga, NZ
Campbell - Edmonston, Longford, Ireland; Onehunga; Aratapu, Northern Wairoa, NZ
Twamley/Twambley - Wicklow, Ireland; Onehunga, Auckland; Drury, South Auckland.

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Re: Regards to Entry Book of Passports at The National Archives
« Reply #15 on: Friday 10 January 20 21:27 GMT (UK) »
I've done a copy of the newspaper snippet about his death.  I will pm you in a moment.
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Regards to Entry Book of Passports at The National Archives
« Reply #16 on: Friday 10 January 20 21:47 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Girl Guide!
Smith - Opononi, Hokianga; Te Kopuru, Dargaville, Northern Wairoa; Paeroa & Te Aroha, Waikato, NZ.
Werahiko - Hokianga, NZ
Campbell - Edmonston, Longford, Ireland; Onehunga; Aratapu, Northern Wairoa, NZ
Twamley/Twambley - Wicklow, Ireland; Onehunga, Auckland; Drury, South Auckland.

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Re: Regards to Entry Book of Passports at The National Archives
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 11 January 20 07:50 GMT (UK) »
This looks like Richards baptism

Orsett, Essex 29 Aug 1808
Richard Hill Smith
Parents Thomas & Charlotte

It would appear that Thomas & Charlotte had an earlier Richard Hill Smith who was also baptised at Orsett
Baptised 14 Dec 1806
Buried 08 Jul 1807
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