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Trace maternal grandmother
« on: Monday 13 January 20 11:21 GMT (UK) »
Hi!
Can anyone out there help me to identify my maternal grandmother Jemima Douglas and her family. She gave birth to my mother, now deceased, at Prestwick in 1904. Father not listed. Her grandmother Jane Douglas was present

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Re: Trace maternal grandmother
« Reply #1 on: Monday 13 January 20 11:39 GMT (UK) »


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What were your mother's details?
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Re: Trace maternal grandmother
« Reply #2 on: Monday 13 January 20 13:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi!
Can anyone out there help me to identify my maternal grandmother Jemima Douglas and her family. She gave birth to my mother, now deceased, at Prestwick in 1904. Father not listed. Her grandmother Jane Douglas was present
At what address did Jemima give birth? Was that her usual address, and if not, what was her usual address?

Have you searched for Mary in the 1911 census? If she was born on or before 2 April 1904 she would have been 7 years old and if she was born on or before 3 April she would have been 6 years old on census day, 2 April 1911.

There are just four six-year-old Mary Douglases in the 1911 census in a household where there is also a J*an* on the same page of the enumeration book, plus one seven-year-old Mary Jane, and two seven-year-old Mary Douglases in a household with a J*m* on the same page.

If she wasn't living with either her mother or her grandmother you will have to cast the net wider, of course.
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Re: Trace maternal grandmother
« Reply #3 on: Monday 13 January 20 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Think this is the info that you asked for, Forfarian

And welcome to Rootschat from me, Loke  :)

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Re: Trace maternal grandmother
« Reply #4 on: Monday 13 January 20 14:25 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, Gadget. Good of you to use your own credits.

So Mary was 6 years old on the day of the 1911 census. But there's no Jemima Douglas in Prestwick in the index to either the 1901 or the 1911 census.

There are 17 Jemima Douglases in the 1901 census aged 10 to 45. Using a transcription web site, most can be eliminated because they are married, or their mother's name is something other than Jane or Jean, or they are too young (under 13).

This leaves four. Two are in households with a mother named Jane or Jean
- age 19, in Edinburgh, jeweller's assistant, born Roberton, Lanarkshire
- age 17, in Falkirk, saleswoman, born Falkirk

and two more are in households not including their mothers
- age 22, St Ninians, Strling, kitchenmaid, born Peebles
- age 21, Glasgow, power loom weaver, born Glasgow

So from the occupations I'd guess that one of the first two is the most likely one.
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Re: Trace maternal grandmother
« Reply #5 on: Monday 13 January 20 19:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi all and thanks for the replies.
Mum was adopted informally by a family in Kilbarchan and i find her name listed as a daughter in that family in the 1911 census.
Gadget - who is the lady in the photo and where did you find her?
I should have noted that I believe the Jane Douglas on the birth cetrtificate would be my mother's grannie, not Jemima's
The address given on the certificate is Boyd st, Prestwick
Being listedd as a shopgirl I reckon Jemima would have been around 16-18 at the time??

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Re: Trace maternal grandmother
« Reply #6 on: Monday 13 January 20 20:12 GMT (UK) »
The lady in the photo is my grandmother and the photo is from the family collection  :)

Is your mother listed as Douglas in the 1911?

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Re: Trace maternal grandmother
« Reply #7 on: Monday 13 January 20 20:48 GMT (UK) »
No, she uses her adoptive parents name

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Re: Trace maternal grandmother
« Reply #8 on: Monday 13 January 20 22:40 GMT (UK) »
hi gadget and fofarian
perhaps you could look at Jemima
born in tradeston, fathers an ayrshire man
Alexander Bell Douglas married to
a Jane Ellis or a Jane Allan,
 Jemimas the right age parents married 1878
on 1891 census she has an older sister
and younger brother Harry named after the grandfarther Henry,
possibly another brother Matthew their first born who may have died;
the grandparents are from further south but are in Newton, ayr,
 i think in the 51 or 71 census, which is prestwick, the youngest son was born bute,
i m not an expert but you may be able to suss out if thats jemima
oh and grandmother a Jane