David Edmunds of Tainewydd Five Roads, Llanelly

[osprey]

the first letter could be a G on that census entry - Gorslan?

https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/e021568b-b2d3-482c-a425-3343048350d5

[osprey]

there's a Ty Mawr on this map
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/ccac7f0e-7ae4-4a20-8e46-2ea9e14a2d07

 

[roycymru]

I found two men by the name of David Howell enumerated as copper man in Llanelly
HO107/1379/4 folio 27 pg 10
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7QG-YSZ

HO107/1379/6 folio 26 pg 2
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7QG-GH8

Looks like it could be Ty Mawr but haven't spotted it on this map yet
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/f94822af-e848-4f8e-b54a-a7de0f2dea12

Thanks. The first David Howell corresponds to the one I found in 1851, the second one is actually listed as a Collier. Ty Mawr (Mynydd sylen) listed here and in the map you have found seems a perfect fit.

[Fisherman]

The census entry looks like Croslaw to me. Perhaps their pronunciation of Croeslaw. Which is Welsh for Crosshands (about 8 miles from Five Roads).

Fisherman

[roycymru]

Still leaning to the original thought by Osprey that it is Corslan Mountain. It is definitely in the Five Roads area so I think Croeslaw/Cross hands is too far away. I have found some more references to it (ignore the third in the link, it is somewhere else)

https://papuraunewydd.llyfrgell.cymru/search?range%5Bmin%5D=1804&range%5Bmax%5D=1919&query=Corslan

The second entry, if I read correctly, implies it might actually have been some form of illegal public house? Certainly seems to have been a well known meeting place at the time if the local hunt met there and for them to meet at some form of public house would make sense. Perhaps if existed briefly and then had disappeared over time

[roycymru]

One final unexpected bit of information

I thought I would order the death certificate of Mary Edmund. My guess was that the informant would be one of her illegitimate sons John or David. Turns out it was in fact Rachel Treharne of Cwmbach, who is listed as her daughter. This looks to be the suspected illegitimate daughter Ruth Jones mentioned at the beginning of this post. Ruth Jones marrying John Treharne in “Llanelly” in the Dec. Qtr of 1856 and her John and their children living at Cwmbach throughout the censuses. John was born abt. 1834 Llangendeirne, and now have to work out his lineage, unless someone has already come across him before?

[ehedydd]

Croeslaw is on the square in Five Roads (now adjoined with Hafod as one house). Ty mawr is further up past Horeb Mill.....a member of my family lived there.AN

[roycymru]

Croeslaw is on the square in Five Roads (now adjoined with Hafod as one house). Ty mawr is further up past Horeb Mill.....a member of my family lived there.AN

Thank you very much for this and the other clarification on location. You can’t beat the power of local knowledge

[ehedydd]

Should also add that there is a house on the crossroads on Mynydd Sylen, off Bethel Road and opposite Mount Pleasant Farm.....it was called Croeslaw and was a "ty Unnos" (built in one night on common land and then became freehold), Ystodwen Farm is further up the road where some Edmunds family lived.
Also John Daniel is a signature on the marriage certificate....not many of that name in the area, my gg grandfather being one!