Missing Daughter

[a chesters]

I have just worked out that there is a missing daughter to Stephen Robins(Robbins/Robens) and his wife Sarah Catt.
1.   I have Elizabeth Malvina, born 10 Jan 1842
2.   Next is Adeline Charlotte, born 29 Dec 1843
3.   Next is Sophia born in 1848
4.    Then is Eliza Mary Ann born 6 May 1853
5.   Then is Hettie Rhoda born 1858
6   Then is Martha J born 1865
BUT I have a couple of advertisements for the marriage of  Charlotte, THIRD daughter, in 1872, and Eliza Mary Ann, FIFTH daughter.

I have not been able to find any information regarding daughter number two, between Elizabeth Malvina, and Adeline Charlotte.

If any one came point me in the direction of finding out when daughter number two was born, I would be very grateful.

Below are the advertisements regarding the marriages for the two daughters which I have been able to find.

The Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser (NSW : 1871 - 1912)
Sat 4 May 1872 Page 572
Family Notices
MARRIAGES.
RADFORD-ROBENS-March 80, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. W. Clarke, Wesleyan minister, John Radford, eldest and only son of John Radford, late of Newtown, Sydney, to Charlotte Robens, third daughter of Stephen Robens, City Missionary, Union-street, Surry Hills, Sydney.

The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954)
Sat 20 Sep 1873 Page 1
Family Notices
MARRIAGES.
On the 6th instant, at the residence of the bride's parents, by the Rev. George Martin, WILLIAM GEORGE, eldest son of Captain WILLIAM MARR, to ELIZA MARY ANN, fifth daughter of Mr. STEPHEN ROBENS, of Union-street, Surry Hills.

A Chesters

[wivenhoe]

This birth record will record previous issue -


NSW BDM birth
2847/1858 ROBENS  Hetta R   parents Stephen / Sarah   @ Chippendale

[Jennaya]

Do you know when her parents died. The daughters names might be mentioned in their death notices.

Regards
Jennaya

[Neale1961]

Do you have the two sons born 1850 and 1863 - both Stephen?

[Neale1961]

I think you have Hetta and Eliza in the wrong order. By date of birth Eliza born 1863 is the fifth daughter.

[a chesters]

Thank you all for your interest and help.

Having checked Stephens death certificate, I found mention of daughter Sarah. After checking, I found that she was born 1 Nov 1839. This means that she was conceived on board the Neptune, the ship which brought Stephen and Sarah out from England, and arrived 27 Sept 1839. Thus she was the first daughter, with the newspaper reports correct. I had not found her when I was going through the NSW BDM's.

Also, I had not thought to check the death certificates of Stephen and Sarah, until you mentioned it Oops

Yes there were two sons Stephen. The one born 1850 died 1853, death registered in Alexandria NSW. No details beyond that at the moment.

Eliza was born 1853  and Hetta in 1858.

Again, many thanks for your help.

AC

[Jamjar]

Sophia’s, 4th daughter, 1915 golden wedding announcement:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article155439615

The marriage:

300/1865 SIPE Robert D to ROBENS Sophia SYDNEY

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

Marriage:

934/1865 BENNETT George James to ROBENS Sarah SYDNEY

Possible death:

4792/1891 BENNETT Sarah parents STEPHEN R and SARAH CANTERBURY

Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article162171193

In Memoriam: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13884366

Buried, with children:

ROOKWOOD PRESBYTERIAN 6_ZONE A/#/1002

Sarah 1891
Claude 1875
Frederick James 1876
Walter Thomas 1876
Ernest George 1885

Death of son:

22642/1940 Albert Edwin

Death notice, 1st column. Funeral notice on page 5, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article17696536

The funeral notices for Stephen list the married names of the girls, including BENNETT, 1st column:

http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28405536

Jamjar

[Jamjar]

I think you have Hetta and Eliza in the wrong order. By date of birth Eliza born 1863 is the fifth daughter.

Correct as per NSWBDM:

332/1842 V1842332 26 ROBBIES Elizabeth M m. 121/1862 HUTHNANCE Jamie Steven d. 14878/1909 HUTHNANCE Elizabeth M
Death notice, last column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article165735224
Obit, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article155407495

297/1844 V1844297 28 ROBINS Adeline C m. 303/1872 RADFORD John d. 16618/1923 RADFORD Charlotte A
Funeral notice, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article28076983

1326/1848 V18481326 55 ROBINS Sophia m. 300/1865 SIPE Robert D d. 16989/1932 SIPPE Sophia
Funeral notice, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16937338
Rookwood METHODIST OLD 2C OC_ZONE A/#/152
SIPPE Sophie 12 Dec 1932 aged 86
SIPPE Robert Dixon 20 April 1925 aged 86

2418/1850 V18502418 55 ROBENS Stephen d. 842/1853 V1853842 110 ROBINS Stephen

2847/1858 ROBENS Hetta R m. 30/1879 SHORT William S d. 2493/1917 SHORT Hetty R
Obit: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article155432065

3110/1862 Stephen W (father as Stephens) m. 3115/1884 O’Neil Kate d. 2465/1946
Rookwood METHODIST NEW 4C_ZONE F/#/166
ROBENS Stephen Wesley buried 24 Dec 1954 aged 84

1735/1863 V18631735 56 ROBINS Eliza M A m. 891/1873 MARR William George d. 16943/1921 MARR Eliza M A
Marriage notice, 2nd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13324096
Death notice, 3rd column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article234930746
Rookwood METHODIST OLD 2C OC_ZONE A/#/153
MARR Eliza M A 1 Nov 1921 aged 68
METHODIST OLD 2C OC_ZONE A/#/155
MARR William George 6 Feb 1918 aged 74
HAMER Mary Ann 22 Nov 1963 aged 83 (this is their daughter)

3089/1865 V18653089 56 ROBENS Martha J m. 665/1881 CALDWELL John (he died 1886 and is buried Rookwood with daughter Daisy)
Marriage notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article13478359
Marriage 2: 7271/1910 DOUST David her death, 3704/1927
Probate notice, 4th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article93641515
Supposed to be at Rookwood, but not showing in search.

Son mentioned in Stephen’s notices:

d. 21492/1928 ROBENS Thomas m. 1673/1871 JEFFRIES Mary Rebecca Jane d. 21492/1928
Death notice, 1st column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16509725
Funeral notice, page 11: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-page1198576
Obit, 5th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article113536144
Rookwood METHODIST NEW 4C_ZONE F/#/583
Thomas Robens
Mary Rebecca J Robens
Vera Annie Grieve

Jamjar