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Re: marriage of Thomas Dyer and Julia Hannah Butler in Shadwell about 1865
« Reply #9 on: Friday 17 January 20 13:52 GMT (UK) »
What about the marriage (Image on Ancestry) for Thomas DYAR and Julia Hannah BUTLAND (I think it could be RUTLAND?) 15 Sep 1872 St John the Evangelist, Lambeth .

That looks good. Thomas is a carman  :D Her father’s surname looks like Buttand  :-\

The name could actually be Butland. Almost as if she’d combined th surnames Butler and Rutland  :-\

One of the witnesses looks like Mary Ann Butler
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Re: marriage of Thomas Dyer and Julia Hannah Butler in Shadwell about 1865
« Reply #10 on: Friday 17 January 20 14:02 GMT (UK) »
Since she married Thomas as a "spinster" I wonder if she was trying to cover up her first marriage to Robert Richard RUTLAND?

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Re: marriage of Thomas Dyer and Julia Hannah Butler in Shadwell about 1865
« Reply #11 on: Friday 17 January 20 14:24 GMT (UK) »
She was born Julia Hannah BUTLER but baptised as Hannah Julia in 1854 at Bethnal Green.

BUTLER, JULIA  HANNAH
Mother's maiden surname: LAWS
GRO Reference: 1849  J Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 02  Page 495

John BUTLER and Eliza Mary LAWS married in 1845.  In 1861 the family is in St George.

Class: RG 9; Piece: 280; Folio: 67; Page: 37    

The 1871 census is a mess regarding marital status and relationships.

RG10; Piece: 538; Folio: 61; Page: 12

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Re: marriage of Thomas Dyer and Julia Hannah Butler in Shadwell about 1865
« Reply #12 on: Friday 17 January 20 15:38 GMT (UK) »
From what you have all found out, it looks as if Julia Hannah Butler was married to Robert Richard Rutland in 1866. They had Hannah Eliza Martha in 1867. BUT I can't find a death for Robert Rutland.
Then in 1872 she married Thomas Dyar (I can't find this marriage in Ancestry). I also can't find Hannah Eliza Martha on the 1871 census.
If her real father was Robert Rutland  and her stepfather was Thomas Dyer, it would explain the entry on her marriage cert.
I'm happy with that explanation. Thanks, folks. As usual you have bee brilliant!