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Re: Who might Uncle John Black have been?
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 19 January 20 18:53 GMT (UK) »
Thank you. I didn't realise the ban included marriage dates even if both have since died.
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Re: Who might Uncle John Black have been?
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 19 January 20 20:50 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Who might Uncle John Black have been?
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 19 January 20 21:56 GMT (UK) »
.... and received. Thank you.

Fascinating .... Maria Ethel Timms, second wife of John Black, was first cousin once removed to Alice Mary Timms, mother of Cyril Desmond Broadbridge, so Hazel and her husband were second cousins once removed to one another.
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Re: Who might Uncle John Black have been?
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 02:47 GMT (UK) »
From the first post I don't think we have established on the forum, when the child was born at the farm of 'Uncle John'.

This appears to be her birth:

1914/3433   Hudson   Joy Gertrude   Violet Ivy   Robert

Marriage of her parents:

1913/4197   Violet Ivy   Pratt      Robert   Hudson


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Re: Who might Uncle John Black have been?
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 08:50 GMT (UK) »
My apologies, I did have that and should have included it.

I still can't find anything on 'Uncle John' earlier than that 1986 will. I wondered if he could have been the 1865-1942 one, but he had moved to Blenheim by the time Joy would have been old enough to know where he lived, and there's no other evidence that he lived in Kirwee/Springfield anyway.

I did try the 1925 register of electors, but there are an awful lot of John Blacks, and they are listed by electoral divisions, and I have yet to discover which of the EDs I don't recognise is where. 
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Re: Who might Uncle John Black have been?
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 09:25 GMT (UK) »
John Black Sheriff Substitute of Stornaway
Just out of curiosity, I had a quick look for this John Black.

He died in Stornoway in 1887, aged 59. In the 1881 census he and his sisters Katherine Inglis and Isobel Elizabeth, all unmarried, all born in Kirkcaldy, Fife were living together in Stornoway. They were three of the nine children of Roger Black and Rachel Law.

Roger Black was born in Kinglassie, Fife, and was a lawyer, and Rachel was born in Kirkcaldy. Roger Black, mother's maiden surname Inglis, died in Kirkcaldy in 1857, aged 60. Rachel Law or Black died in Edinburgh in 1872, aged 70. Their son, John's brother Roger, also became a lawyer, and was Procurator Fiscal in Kirkcaldy.

There are several obituaries for John Black in the Ross-shire and Fife local newspapers, from which he seems to have been the usual sort of exemplary chap. He was buried in the family grave in Kirkcaldy. I have no idea why his will turns up in the NZ probate records; it was Confirmed in Dingwall Sheriff Court (which is where I'd expect) on 25 August 1887 and Sealed in England on 9 September 1887.

(In Scots Law there is no such thing as Probate; the corresponding process is Confirmation. A will Confirmed in Scotland can be Sealed in another jurisdictions, and Probate granted elsewhere can be Sealed in Scotland, which saves having to go through the complete rigmarole in both or all jurisdictions.)
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Re: Who might Uncle John Black have been?
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 18:29 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

Part quote:

'I have no idea why his will turns up in the NZ probate records; it was Confirmed in Dingwall Sheriff Court (which is where I'd expect) on 25 August 1887 and Sealed in England on 9 September 1887.'

One explanation: He had assets in New Zealand which required the probate to be resealed.

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Re: Who might Uncle John Black have been?
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 18:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello,

Part quote:

'I have no idea why his will turns up in the NZ probate records; it was Confirmed in Dingwall Sheriff Court (which is where I'd expect) on 25 August 1887 and Sealed in England on 9 September 1887.'

One explanation: He had assets in New Zealand which required the probate to be resealed.

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Presumably, but the original confirmation mentions only property in Scotland and England.
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Re: Who might Uncle John Black have been?
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 19:15 GMT (UK) »
Quite possibly a case of "after discovered assets".........  ;)


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HAMMOND, Cainham/Caynham, Shropshire, U.K. Otago-NZ.
GALBRAITH, Ireland, Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Kensington-London, U.K.
GRANT, Sct., Dunedin, Otago-NZ., Vancouver, Canada.
GLASS, Aberdeenshire, Otago-NZ.
CAIRNEY/CARNEY/KEARNEY/Ireland, Airdrie, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
O'BRIEN Mary Ann, Limerick, Otago-NZ.
NICOL(L) James, Scotland, Otago-NZ.
SCOTT Thomas, Shetland, Otago-NZ.
MCHARDY/MCHARDIE Euphemia, Scotland, Otago-NZ.