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Re: Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 04:58 GMT (UK) »
I've had a look through the Hobart baptisms to compare them to the registrations

Baptisms at St Joseph's RC Church
born 27 Jan 1846 Thomas
Charles Wilson and Sarah (Bond)
baptised 21 June

3 Aug 1847 Sarah Ann
Charles Wilson and Sarah (Bond)
bapt. 1 oct

4 Aug 1850 Charles
Charles Wilson and Sarah (Bond)
bapt. 15 Sept

Registered births
28 Jan 1846 Charles
Charles Wilson (labourer) and Sarah (Watson)
registered Feb 10
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-2-p609j2k

29 Aug 1847 Sarah Ann
Charles Wilson (fisherman) and Sarah (Bond)
reg. 8 Oct
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-3-p061j2k

9 Apr 1849 (female)
Charles Wilson (fisherman) and Sarah (Bond)
reg. 12 May
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-3-p182j2k

28 Aug 1850 (male)
Charles Wilson (boatman) and Sarah (Bond)
reg. 13 Sep
https://stors.tas.gov.au/RGD33-1-3-p299j2k

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Re: Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 06:58 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for the last few posts.
I have a lot more to explore.
a few questions now though:
Could the 1860 d cert and the V entry be both for the same person?
What's OP?
What do people think about the Thomas/ Charles baptism/ birth in 1846?


Where did you find the Hobart baptisms/ registrations?
This was where I found the Charles birth: https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/tas/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fARCHIVES_DIGITISED$002f0$002fARCHIVES_DIG_DIX:RGD33-1-2/one
and this is where I found the 1847 b of Sarah Ann: https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=sarah&qu=bond&qu=wilson#
Am I in the right area?

I need to reread and digest it all a bit. Truly thanks so much.

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Re: Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 07:34 GMT (UK) »
Many thanks for the last few posts.
I have a lot more to explore.
a few questions now though:
Could the 1860 d cert and the V entry be both for the same person?
What's OP?
What do people think about the Thomas/ Charles baptism/ birth in 1846?


Where did you find the Hobart baptisms/ registrations?
This was where I found the Charles birth: https://librariestas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/tas/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fARCHIVES_DIGITISED$002f0$002fARCHIVES_DIG_DIX:RGD33-1-2/one
and this is where I found the 1847 b of Sarah Ann: https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/results?qu=sarah&qu=bond&qu=wilson#
Am I in the right area?

I need to reread and digest it all a bit. Truly thanks so much.

Birth registrations are from the Names Index on the Tas libraries/archives site, same as where you found them
https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/

Baptisms are from microfilm at the Tas archives

OP means 'original poster' so in this case, you

I'm not yet sure about the Thomas/Charles 1846 birth, it points to being the same child, but a reason for the change to the surname 'Bond' would help

I don't know about the 1860 V entry, will leave that to others  :)


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Re: Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 20:47 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for your answers and your visit to the Tasmanian Archives. They are a bit too far away for me.
I keep learning all the time.
I'll cogitate a bit more.

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Re: Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 22:05 GMT (UK) »
Re :
Those two entries on the NSW BDM online index for 1860.

The one with a 'V', the one pointing to an Early Church Record, does note the deceased was aged 37.

Many of the Camperdown Cemetery burials have been transcribed and are indexed  :) as mentioned in the OP.  Here is the link http://gutenberg.net.au/camperdownNSW/_home.html  It was the main Church of England burial ground in Sydney for much of the mid 1800s.  It was referred to as St Stephens cemetery for it was within the grounds of St Stephens.  Burials were not restricted just to Church of England members.

Here is a link that has background info about the cemetery. http://cemeterycuriosities.blogspot.com/2008/04/camperdown-cemetery.html

From the Camperdown Cemetery burials 
8747, BN08774 is for a Sarah WILSON, aged 37, 25 July 1860. 

usually you can drill down on a NSW BDM civil registration index entry to reliably determine the 'date of the event'.   But when I checked that option, the d.c. for Sarah WILSON #1375/1860 does not reflect just 25 July 1860, but every date in 1860, including 31 December 1860.  The date will of course be on the actual document.

It is of course possible that cert 1375/1860 has the names of her spouse, children, etc... but it does not seem to have any info about her parents (so likely nothing about her own birth place or nee name) ...  It is up to you of course, if you are considering ordering a transcript, ... if so, then I would seek out the civil registration for it will have the name of the cemetery, and it should also have cause of death, date buried, and name of spouse and children and the name/address of the informant.

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Re: Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Re Sarah WILSON formerly Sarah WATSON,  on the image 146 for Charles born January 28th 1846, it has Sarah’s address as Argyle Street. 

Re Sarah WILSON formerly BOND on the image 27, for Sarah Ann born August 29th 1847, it has Sarah’s address as Old Wharf. 

I am wondering if the confusion is simply a reflection of the level of literacy for Sarah and possibly for Charles as well.    I am wondering if the couple had a document that showed Sarah WATSON was formerly under a BOND, and so when asked by officialdom ‘what were you formerly’   Charles or Sarah have answered ‘BOND’ … I am probably sidetracking you, sorry.

ADD ... I forgot to explain  ::)  ::)  google street maps shows me that Argyle Street still runs down all the way to Constitution Dock...

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Re: Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 21 January 20 23:19 GMT (UK) »
To add to the confusion, Sarah Watson's convict indent says she can read and write, and she signs her name in the marriage register (original viewed); but then for the 1846 birth and the 'Bond' births, the mother signs 'her X mark'.

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Re: Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 22 January 20 21:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi again,
I love it when things are complicated! Thanks again.
a few more questions:
How did you drill down into the NSW records?
By civil registration do you mean the 1375 or the V? I'd picked the V because of the 37 years, but had wondered about the other. I'm not very optimistic, but might do it.
About the Argyle St./ Old Wharf thing, Charles's occupation changed then from labourer (or gardener at the marriage) to fisherman/ boatman. He was recorded as free. Maybe he could only get a job as a gardener at first. From FindMyPast's Hobart Town Gazette Tu Nov 5 (& 12 & 19) 1844 pp. 1404 - 1405 on the image (or 1405 - 1406 on the record) it has Charles free & Sarah from the Waverley in private service when they applied to marry. Maybe after they married he managed to switch jobs and addresses to what he really wanted (or they are both different people).
By the way also in those Gazette's it has her absconding in July 1844 (506, dressmaker and more description) and being apprehended in Dec 1844 (after their marriage).
I'd also wondered about that Bond idea, but it continued for baby after baby.
off to cogitate ....

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Re: Charles WILSON Sarah WATSON convict Sarah BOND Ireland Lincs Tas NSW Qld
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 22 January 20 22:04 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Re NSW BDM ....

 :) if the reference has the letter V in it, then it is part of a Volume of the Early Church Records, covering from 1787 through to at least 1856, but sometimes into the early 1900s.

 :) Drill down on exact date of an event is an option available on the online indexes ...   Scroll down to Event Details, use the Date of Event From and Date of Event To option,  change the day and month as well as entering the year from and year to...  :)

Apart from newspapers at FindMyPast,  you can also access many newspapers, and loads of other great material for NO CHARGE via the National Library of Australia's TROVE website.  Here are several links for that option...
https://trove.nla.gov.au/
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/search?adv=y
and the Resources Boards here at RChat
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/australia-resources-offers/
Tasmania  https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369953.0
NSW https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0

NSW BDM history of the registry https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/about-us/history-of-registry.aspx

JM



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