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Polette Villette
« on: Saturday 25 January 20 13:54 GMT (UK) »
Hello all.

I was recently trying to find out where my two-times great grandfather (so my great-great-grandfather) William Villette (1859-1934) was born, exactly. I made a post in the beginners' forums and thanks to the help of quite a few members of this website, I think I've now got the answer (which is Princess Street, Haymarket, London).

But during the discussion in that thread, conversation and interest moved on to William Villette's father, Polette Villette (on some family history sites, his name is indexed as "Pullette"). Polette Villette would be my three-times great grandfather.

Again, with the help of people on this website, I'm being led to believe he was an immigrant to the United Kingdom from France (I had suspected this anyway, due to his name which to me certainly sounds French).
Through research I've carried out, I've learned that there were two really big waves of immigration from France to the UK in 1848 and again in the winter of 1851-52.

I am assuming he came over during one of these waves, and it seems he settled in the area of London called Marylebone (which had a large French community). It also seems he married an English woman called Rebecca Hull (who would be my three-times great grandmother) with whom he had, to my knowledge, two children - a son William (my two-times great grandfather) and a daughter Rebecca who died in 1866 as a baby in a workhouse in Marylebone.

Ultimately, my aim is now to find out where Polette Villette came from originally (was he indeed a migrant from France) or even, perhaps, where he was born. I know that Polette's father was called Charles Villette (this is shown on Polette's marriage to Rebecca Hull).

Great progress was made in the original thread, and I was advised to post here, as you guys with much more knowledge and experience with European family history research would likely be able to offer better help. Here is the original thread:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=824583.new;topicseen#new

Hopefully together we can solve this one - I'm searching high and low.  :)

Thanks everyone.

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Re: Polette Villette
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 January 20 14:01 GMT (UK) »
What do the censuses say about his place of birth?
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Re: Polette Villette
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 January 20 14:06 GMT (UK) »
What do the censuses say about his place of birth?

So far, we've only been able to find records of Polette Villette on his marriage to my three-times great grandmother Rebecca Hull which was in 1858 or 1859 I think (sorry, I'd have to go back to the original thread I posted to find that exact date) and on the records of his son William Villette's christening in February 1859.

Additional info that I forgot to add was that Polette was a tailor.

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Re: Polette Villette
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 25 January 20 15:58 GMT (UK) »
Rebecca, status married, born Gretton,can be found in 1861 with Pullette W, born 1858, but no sign of Polite (etc) Villitte, husband (name from marr cert). On the 1871 Census she is a widow, without  Pullette W, born 1858. Her relationship to head of household is not given.

So, where is Polite in 1861?. Cannot find a death between 1858-1871.
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Re: Polette Villette
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 25 January 20 16:42 GMT (UK) »
Rebecca, status married, born Gretton,can be found in 1861 with Pullette W, born 1858, but no sign of Polite (etc) Villitte, husband (name from marr cert). On the 1871 Census she is a widow, without  Pullette W, born 1858. Her relationship to head of household is not given.

So, where is Polite in 1861?. Cannot find a death between 1858-1871.

On the 1861 Census, both Rebecca and her son (my 2 x Great grandfather) Pullette William Villette are living with Rebecca's brother John Hull in Gretton, Northamptonshire.
Then, like you, when I looked at the 1871 Census I realised Rebecca was no longer living with them. (Pullette) William Villette is still living with his uncle John Hull in Gretton but Rebecca seems to have left the household.

This kind of fits in with some details I was given by another poster in the original thread. They posted some info they'd found that, in 1866, Rebecca was in London (Marylebone) with her baby daughter Rebecca in a workhouse - both were said to be "ill" and the baby died on 11 August 1866. There was a note with this record saying that Rebecca's husband (Polette, of course) had left her 8 months prior to this.

By the way, on the 1861 Census when both Rebecca and her son (Pullette) William Villette are in Gretton, there is no Polette Villette (Rebecca's husband).

So my picture so far from the info we currently have, obtained through helpful posters on the original thread:

Polette Villette marries Rebecca Hull on 18 May 1858 in St James, Westminster. The witnesses to marriage are, I think (?), Charles Villette (Polette's father) and an Amy Villette.

Polette and Rebecca Villette have a son, Polette/Pullette/Pullit William Villette (whom I will from now on just refer to as "William Villette") who is baptised at St Anne's in Soho in February 1859.

In 1861 Rebecca and son William Villette have moved from London to live with Rebecca's brother John Hull in the village of Gretton, in Northamptonshire. Polette Villette doesn't seem to have made the move to Gretton with them.

In July 1866, there is a record of Rebecca having been admitted into a workhouse in Marylebone, London - she is sick with a newborn baby (also called Rebecca) who dies on 11 August 1866. Notes on this record say her husband, Polette, had left her 8 months prior.

In 1871, William Villette is still living with his uncle in Gretton - but Rebecca is no longer living with them. I would guess, sometime between the 1861 Census and the Marylebone Workhouse record of 1866, Rebecca must have moved from Gretton back to London (to be back with Polette?). The couple split up/Polette leaves her while she is pregnant (8 months prior to July 1866 would be December 1865, maybe he left her when he found out she was pregnant).
Polette Villette then dies some time before the 1871 Census - because on that Census Rebecca is described as being a widow. Or, perhaps, he has simply left Rebecca and she does not know his whereabouts, and she just tells the person/people doing the Census that he is dead.

My strongest hunch is that Polette Villette was from France, came over here to the UK for a very short while (just a few years) where he married Rebecca Hull who gave birth to my great-great grandfather William Villette in 1859 (some online records say 1858) and a daughter Rebecca in 1866 who died as a baby. Polette left Rebecca pregnant with daughter and possibly went back to France? His possibly having been born in and going back to and later dying in France, is why we have no British records of either his birth or death. This is my theory.

What do you think?


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Re: Polette Villette
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 25 January 20 17:04 GMT (UK) »
If this Charles is Pullitt snr's father then there is only one census with an entry that doesn't just say France [the 1881].

1861 RG 9; Piece: 60; Folio: 43; Page: 32
Charles Villitt   40
Amy Villitt   34
Camille Villitt   8
All born France

1881 RG11; Piece: 124; Folio: 80; Page: 7 Westminster Union Workhouse

Does anyone have experience of French baptism records to look for Pollitt?
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Polette Villette
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 25 January 20 17:07 GMT (UK) »
On the 1861 Census, both Rebecca and her son (my 2 x Great grandfather) Pullette William Villette are living with Rebecca's brother John Hull in Gretton, Northamptonshire.
Then, like you, when I looked at the 1871 Census I realised Rebecca was no longer living with them. (Pullette) William Villette is still living with his uncle John Hull in Gretton but Rebecca seems to have left the household.

Remember that the census is a snapshot of who was staying at an address on a single night ;D
Doesn't mean they were living there?
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Re: Polette Villette
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 25 January 20 17:13 GMT (UK) »
On the 1861 Census, both Rebecca and her son (my 2 x Great grandfather) Pullette William Villette are living with Rebecca's brother John Hull in Gretton, Northamptonshire.
Then, like you, when I looked at the 1871 Census I realised Rebecca was no longer living with them. (Pullette) William Villette is still living with his uncle John Hull in Gretton but Rebecca seems to have left the household.

Remember that the census is a snapshot of who was staying at an address on a single night ;D
Doesn't mean they were living there?

Very true haha

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Re: Polette Villette
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 25 January 20 17:19 GMT (UK) »
This from chempat on the other thread
Polette was of full age when he married in 1858, so should have been born by 1837.
Charles Villette born 1821 more likely to be a brother, if related.
Westminster Union records has him admitted in 1880, born in 1823, and discharged through death in July 1903.
Arrivals?
   Charles Villette : arrival port Folkestone  on 19th May 1851 from France
He had a passport from the French Government
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Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON