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Drowned in the English Channel on FreeBMD?
« on: Saturday 25 January 20 15:16 GMT (UK) »
Would this death be on FreeBMD?

I found on Welsh Newspapers online what looks to be the Drowning death of my 3rd Great Grandfather on 8 Feb 1869. The information on his father and his Uncle matches what I have on this lot, including the farm name.

https://newspapers.library.wales/home, Welsh Newspapers.
"The Merthyr Telegraph and General Advertiser for the Iron Districts of South Wales, 27th February 1869.
"On the 8th instant, drowned after the collision of the steamship Calcutta, from London, with the barque Emma, from Cardiff, in the English Channel, Mr. Edward Lewis, engineer. He was the second son of the late Mr. Edward Lewis, superannuated Excise Officer, of Pontnewydd, Gellygaer, and nephew to Mr. Thomas Lewis, of Tairlan Farm, in the parish of Merthyr. He was 41 years of age, and has left a widow and a large family."."
The Merthyr Telegraph and General Advertiser for the Iron Districts of South Wales
27th February 1869 Page 3
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3074856/3074859/11/
Jeffs - Northamptonshire to Leicestershire to Queensland, Australia
Lewis - Wales to Gloucestershire to NSW & Queensland, Australia
Iddols & Baylis - Gloucestershire
Mary Jones, daughter of James Jones and Eliza - born abt 1864 Staffordshire, died 1948 Queensland, Australia
Dorans - Ireland to Scotland to Queensland, Australia
Ralph - Ireland to Scotland to Queensland, Australia
Reedy - Ireland to NSW & Queensland, Australia
Bradbury (False name?) - Oxfordshire to Queensland, Australia

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Re: Drowned in the English Channel on FreeBMD?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 25 January 20 15:58 GMT (UK) »
There is no mention of a burial in the newspaper, I think if the body was not found there will be no death cert.

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Re: Drowned in the English Channel on FreeBMD?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 25 January 20 16:36 GMT (UK) »
The collision was widely reported in the newspapers

Warder and Dublin Weekly Mail, Sat 13 Feb 1869

" .... 47 are accounted for, leaving 21 unaccounted for - about the number who would be in the lifeboat which was washed ashore at Mullion".
S. Wales, Somerset, Devon - Oxenham

Aberavon - Hopkin/s, Jenkins, Thomas
St. Brides/Wick - Jenkins
Llanblethian -  Price
Abergwynfi -  Han(d)ford
Pontardawe -  Lewis.


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Re: Drowned in the English Channel on FreeBMD?
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 26 January 20 08:54 GMT (UK) »
I did copy a couple of the newspapers reports about the collision.

So no body, no Death registration?

Mick
Jeffs - Northamptonshire to Leicestershire to Queensland, Australia
Lewis - Wales to Gloucestershire to NSW & Queensland, Australia
Iddols & Baylis - Gloucestershire
Mary Jones, daughter of James Jones and Eliza - born abt 1864 Staffordshire, died 1948 Queensland, Australia
Dorans - Ireland to Scotland to Queensland, Australia
Ralph - Ireland to Scotland to Queensland, Australia
Reedy - Ireland to NSW & Queensland, Australia
Bradbury (False name?) - Oxfordshire to Queensland, Australia

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Re: Drowned in the English Channel on FreeBMD?
« Reply #4 on: Monday 03 February 20 20:09 GMT (UK) »
Not unless the widow went to court after 7 years to have legally declared dead.

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Re: Drowned in the English Channel on FreeBMD?
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 February 20 00:26 GMT (UK) »
Thanks amondg,

His widow did remarry in 1871.

Mick
Jeffs - Northamptonshire to Leicestershire to Queensland, Australia
Lewis - Wales to Gloucestershire to NSW & Queensland, Australia
Iddols & Baylis - Gloucestershire
Mary Jones, daughter of James Jones and Eliza - born abt 1864 Staffordshire, died 1948 Queensland, Australia
Dorans - Ireland to Scotland to Queensland, Australia
Ralph - Ireland to Scotland to Queensland, Australia
Reedy - Ireland to NSW & Queensland, Australia
Bradbury (False name?) - Oxfordshire to Queensland, Australia

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Re: Drowned in the English Channel on FreeBMD?
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 February 20 01:14 GMT (UK) »
Seven weeks later Lieutenant Commander Esmonde's body, still in his lifejacket, was washed ashore in the Thames Estuary near the River Medway. Esmonde was buried in the Woodlands Cemetery, Gillingham, Kent on 30 April 1942.

Leader of the Swordfish aircraft that took off 12 February 1942 to attack German Battleships. His body was found in England but no record of him on Free BMD. I wonder why?

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Re: Drowned in the English Channel on FreeBMD?
« Reply #7 on: Monday 16 March 20 19:07 GMT (UK) »
Barry, is this the person you are referring to?

Lieut-Commander (A)
ESMONDE, EUGENE
Died 12/02/1942

Aged 32

F.A.A. 825 Sqdn. H.M.S. Daedalus
Royal Navy

V C, D S O, Mentioned in Despatches

Son of John Joseph and Eily Esmonde, of Drominagh, Co. Tipperary, Irish Republic.

Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Drowned in the English Channel on FreeBMD?
« Reply #8 on: Monday 16 March 20 19:11 GMT (UK) »
If he is that one then this looks like his death record

Source   Gro Marine Death Indices (1903 To 1965)
Archive reference   DMR3
War   -
Record set   British Armed Forces And Overseas Deaths And Burials
First name(s)   Eugene
Sex   Male
Last name   Esmonde
Death year   1942
Birth year   1909
Type   Consular/Overseas
Page   141A
Age   33
Birth date   ? ? 1909
Registration year   -
Branch of service   -
Decoration   -
Records year range   1942
Line number   14
Archive   
General Register Office
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire