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marriage in 1827
« on: Saturday 01 February 20 14:29 GMT (UK) »
hi, im not a begginer as such but have now managed to find my way back to a around 1811. how do i confirm a marriage in 1827 when the only info i have are names Thomas Thomas (very common) and mary griffiths the date being 13/10/1827 in cadoxton juxta neath. the area mentioned seem correct as ive found them on following censuses, but how do i confirm these are the ones im looking for?
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Re: marriage in 1827
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 02 February 20 08:47 GMT (UK) »
it is on WALES GLAMORGAN PARISH MARRIAGE RECORDS - 1538 - 1912
on IGI
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG43-6VS

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Re: marriage in 1827
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 02 February 20 15:58 GMT (UK) »
thsnk you for your help, unfortunarely, family search wont let me create an account for some reason, ive tried countless times but it keeps telling me my password or email is wrong or that the account hasnt been verified, either way, im not getting to see the record :'(, but thank you for your help

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Re: marriage in 1827
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 02 February 20 16:19 GMT (UK) »
Pompey Welsh -- if you could see the ACTUAL parish register - maybe at a local archives - it may just give an additional clue such as an occupation for the groom.

The entry on Family Search is a transcription and sometimes those additional details, if shown on the actual record -- do not get transcribed.

Presumably you have found children being born to this couple AFTER the date of this marriage. Are any children born to them AFTER July 1837? If they are the mother's maiden name would be shown on the GRO Index - and that will confirm the brides surname.
Places of interest;
Lancashire, West Yorkshire, Southern Ireland, Scotland.


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Re: marriage in 1827
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 02 February 20 16:31 GMT (UK) »
thank you Pennines, i will look for further children born after 1837 and match them to census, Thank you

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Re: marriage in 1827
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 02 February 20 17:42 GMT (UK) »
there's a scan of the register on FindMyPast and the first name of the bride is Lucy, not Mary. No occupation given for Thomas, witnesses Thomas Hughes and Harriett Harries who signed, the other 3 all marked.

Baptism 14 Sept 1829 in Cadoxton juxta Neath for Luce Thomas born 15 July 1829 daughter of Thomas, moulder, and Luce address Abbey. Burial for Luce Thomas aged 23 14 Sept 1829 address Abbey.

Where are your Thomas & Mary in 1841 and later?
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: marriage in 1827
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 02 February 20 17:48 GMT (UK) »
So maybe this Thomas married twice -- if you find a marriage to Mary and it's the same Thomas, it should say 'Widower'.

The ages of the children on the 1841 census may help you. Parish records should say parents Thomas and Mary, or maybe there was an older child born to Thomas and Lucy. That may help pinpoint the approx date of a marriage to Mary.
Places of interest;
Lancashire, West Yorkshire, Southern Ireland, Scotland.

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Re: marriage in 1827
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 02 February 20 18:35 GMT (UK) »
ok, found your family from the query about 1851 census
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=825041.0

And your Thomas Thomas is a shoemaker and aged 39 in 1851 so unlikely to have married in 1827.
1841 Tairhewl, Cadoxton HO107/1421/9 folio 15 pg 9
Thomas Thomas 20 shoemaker
Mary 20
Llewelyn 7
Jennet 5
Mary 4
John 1
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Elizabeth Llewellyn 15 fs
David Lewis 20 ag lab

The only baptism I've found so far is for Mary 1 Sept 1838 dau of Thomas, shoemaker & Mary address Crynant.

There's a possible marriage in Cadoxton juxta Neath 27 Sept 1834 for Thomas Thomas & Mary Lewis witnesses Jenkin Lewis & John Harris. The David Lewis in the same building as the Thomas family in 1841 could be Mary's brother.

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: marriage in 1827
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 02 February 20 19:01 GMT (UK) »
hi osprey, yes this is them.....ive followed through with the 1841, 1861. thank you for finding the possible marriage, its a big help.