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Robert Edwards of Teiliau House, Festiniog Rockman(Slate Quarrier)c1881
« on: Friday 07 February 20 00:12 GMT (UK) »
I am looking for any information on my 2x Great Grandfather Robert Edwards born about 1846 in Festiniog, Died 1935 in Festiniog.
His parents were Edward Jones & Anne Jones
He was married to Anne Williams & Sarah Jones.
Children

Edward Edwards   19
Robert Edwards   14
Ann Edwards   14
Alice Edwards   13
William Edwards   12
Elizabeth J Edwards   10
Mary E Edwards   7
Sarah Edwards   4
Jane Edwards   1/12
Maggie Edwards   2/12

Also of Teilia Bach, Festiniog c1851
Also of Llangower Uwchafon Merionethshire c1861
Also of Festiniog c1871
Also of  Penrtryn and Minffordd Ffestiniog Merionethshire c1891
Also of Bwlch Farm, Dolwyddelan c1901
Festiniog c1911

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Re: Robert Edwards of Teiliau House, Festiniog Rockman(Slate Quarrier)c1881
« Reply #1 on: Friday 07 February 20 01:13 GMT (UK) »
You say Roberts surname was Edwards but his parents were Jones - can you clarify please?

What kind of info are you looking for?  You already appear to have him on the various censuses

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Re: Robert Edwards of Teiliau House, Festiniog Rockman(Slate Quarrier)c1881
« Reply #2 on: Friday 07 February 20 08:25 GMT (UK) »
1851 Census  HO107  2512  240  28

Might need some "unpicking"?

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Re: Robert Edwards of Teiliau House, Festiniog Rockman(Slate Quarrier)c1881
« Reply #3 on: Friday 07 February 20 09:08 GMT (UK) »
http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3817129/3817136/89/

Click on link - see end column "County Court. Is this "your" Robert?


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Re: Robert Edwards of Teiliau House, Festiniog Rockman(Slate Quarrier)c1881
« Reply #4 on: Friday 07 February 20 10:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much hanes teulu  for you welcome link, it looks very much like the Robert Edwards I am looking for, same Bwlch Farm and around same time period, £94-12 -4d, Ouch that must have hit his pockets.  I will look further into your link libraries, once again thanks.

CaroleW, thanks very much for your reply, Robert Edwards parents having the Jones surname, as far as I know has something to do with a very old Welsh naming custom, children in order of birth were named after parents 1st/2nd names, grandparents 1st/2nd names etc, any ideas anybody ?
Basically I'm just throwing out a request to see if anybody with Welsh Ancestry and interests in the Festiniog area have any knowledge of this family or their neighbours.
One family story is of Roberts son William(my great grandfather) leaving home as a teenager to find work in the coal mines of St.Helens, Lancashire,  Robert chased after him twice to fetch him back home, on leaving home a third time, Robert said he can stay there. Who can blame him !

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Re: Robert Edwards of Teiliau House, Festiniog Rockman(Slate Quarrier)c1881
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 09 February 20 13:41 GMT (UK) »
The ancestors of Robert Edwards of Teiliau House appear to have
settled there at some time between 1813 and 1838, judging from the
wills available at the National Library of Wales.

The will of Robert Jones of Teilie bach [NLW B/1813/165] dated 1810
and proved in 1813 appears not to be related. He named his son John
Robert co-executor and residual legatee. Other sons were called
Robert Jones and Richard Robert

The probate of John Edwards of Teiliau Bach [NLW B/1838/149]  (d:28
July 1838) mentions his son Edward Jones of Telia Bach.

The circa 1840 tithe apportionment for Ffestiniog lists Edward Jones
as the farmer of Teiliau Bach with Rev. Lloyd Wynne owner.

This can be seen at the NLW tithemap web site.

https://places.library.wales/

I looked for evidence of the father of John Edwards, who would likely
be called Edward John or Edward Jones or perhaps with some other second
name, but I found nothing persuasive. Your best bet would be to look
through the parish registers and graveyard inscriptions for
Ffestiniog, and then the neighbouring parishes of Maentwrog and
Trawsfynydd.

Possibilites are Edward Jones NLW B/1809/128 of Brynrodyn, Maentwrog,
who died 30 Oct 1809 and is buried at Ffestiniog, and Edward Roberts
of Brynhir, Trawsfynydd NLW B/1809/131.

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Re: Robert Edwards of Teiliau House, Festiniog Rockman(Slate Quarrier)c1881
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 09 February 20 17:14 GMT (UK) »
Thanks very much for this information on Edward Jones and his possible father John Edwards, I have Edward Jones in 1851 Census at Teilia Bach as a farmer of 134 acres, employing 3 men, and it seems to confuse me even more, he named his eldest son John Edwards( farmers son) aged 15 years, presumably after his father, also in the household is yet another John Edwards(Servant) aged 18 years
Also listed in the household is Edward Jones mother, Jane Roberts aged 86 years, a Widow.
So Edward Roberts
of Brynhir, Trawsfynydd NLW B/1809/131. could be a father for Edward Jones.
I found the tithe apportionment and associated maps etc very interesting and helpful and am grateful for the link to https://places.library.wales/ very useful tool, just a case of me now seeking out and going through the parish registers and graveyard inscriptions for
Ffestiniog, and then the neighbouring parishes of Maentwrog and
Trawsfynydd.
Many thanks again Graf for your help and advice.