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John Athersmith 1774.-1842
« on: Tuesday 11 February 20 18:15 GMT (UK) »
Looking for whatever. On John Athersmith. B. 1774. Walsall Staffordshire. Baptised st Matthews church walsall. D. 1842 Ulverston. Wife. Jane. Daughter Margaret is my ancestor. I'm looking for John Athersmiths father. Mother Etc. its a odd name. So should be fairly simple. Lol.. I find it in London. Warwickshire. And Staffordshire.  I've tried family search.. parish records. John Athersmith is a direct ancestor. I'd like to know more. But I can't get past John. And Jane Athersmith. Any help would be appreciated. Regards rob.  ps found this..John Athersmith. Wife jane.daughter Martha.08. April.1787.  Daughter. Mary. 1790 April  Daniel1797. All st Matthews church walsall Staffordshire.?
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Re: John Athersmith 1774.-1842
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 February 20 18:23 GMT (UK) »
You say he was baptised at St Matthews Church, Walsall - what information does the baptism entry give.

Is this relevant to your John
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/e203fe949ba843fead67e7fb3a1a9218

or this
John Athersmith
Age   63
Birth year   1775
Session date   02 Jul 1838
Court   Lancaster
Archive   The National Archives
Source   Home Office: Criminal Registers, England And Wales, 1805-1892
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Re: John Athersmith 1774.-1842
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 12 February 20 02:41 GMT (UK) »
There is a long article in the Lancaster Gazette, Saturday,  July 7, 1838  about "an affray with Police at Ulverston" involving Thomas and Margaret PARK and John, Betsey and Joseph ATHERSMITH. John is described as an "old man".  (They were found guilty except Betsey, and sentenced to one and three months prison.) Probably the item mentioned by Rosie above. Is this your family? I can send you a copy of the article if you'd like.

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And a description of the "affray" in the Westmorland Gazette, Saturday,  June 2, 1838

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Re: John Athersmith 1774.-1842
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 February 20 02:47 GMT (UK) »
Another article July 2, 1842 in the Westmorland Gazette:

" ... William Iddon and John Watkinson, mariners; John Athersmith snr., and John Athersmith jnr, and Joseph Athersmith, nailors; and Margaret Park, widow were each summoned for willfully treading down a field of grass belonging to Mr. Parker of the Sun Inn. Ordered to pay damages and costs."


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Re: John Athersmith 1774.-1842
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 February 20 07:44 GMT (UK) »
I know you already have this
ATHERSMITH, JOHN    age   68 
1842  Dec Quarter
ULVERSTONE UNION 
Volume 25  Page 136

John Athersmith
Age at death   68 years
Burial date   15 Nov 1842
Burial place   Ulverston, Lancashire
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Re: John Athersmith 1774.-1842
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 February 20 08:09 GMT (UK) »
There is a baptism in Walsall for a John Athersmith with parents Joseph & Ann but it is on 22 Apr 1780

I can't see a death for a wife Jane in Ulverston though there is one for a Mary in 1847 age 68.
Where and when did John marry Jane.

Could you please give the names of John & Janes children with years and places of birth

There are certainly plenty of newspaper articles about the Athersmiths in Ulverston  ;D
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Re: John Athersmith 1774.-1842
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 12 February 20 08:15 GMT (UK) »
I'm wondering about wife "Jane" - are you sure of this?

There is this family in 1841 at Rattenrow, Ulverston:
 Margaret Park     30   Lancashire
Ann Park                 6   Lancashire
John Park               3
James Park             1
John Smith         65
Mary Smith        60
Sarah Smith      16
Thomas Smith  12
James Dixon     30
Margaret Dixon 25
George Tyson    35
Mary Tyson        30   Ireland
Mary McIntire   65
Mary Archer     20  Lancashire
John Brownlee  25  Ireland
Elizabeth Carter  20  Lancashire

H0107/531/21 pg35

The "SMITH"s could well be ATHERSMITH. James DIXON was the person who started off the "affray" in the 1838 case.

Posting at the same time as Rosie -  :D

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Re: John Athersmith 1774.-1842
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Re: John Athersmith 1774.-1842
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 12 February 20 08:41 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Mckha, wish I'd seen this before.  ::)