family name Kell

[valconn21]

can anyone give me advice on how i may find further information on my 2x great grandfather thomas kell born about 1820 maybe Dublin , and his father james kell, and were both boot and shoe makers (master). my information comes from England census 1861 when thomas is found in Manchester and from marriage cert, of 1870 when he married a maria jones. i am thinking of a visit to Dublin to further my research but need advice on where to start, assuming there is information to be found.
many thanks in anticipation

[Maiden Stone]

Directories which list tradesmen in Manchester or Dublin.
Electoral registers for Manchester.
Did either leave a will?
Who were marriage witnesses? Could they have been relatives? Was it noted if James was deceased at the time of his son's marriage?

[KGarrad]

You need to read the pinned notices in this board
Birth is before Civil Registration, so you will be reliant on Parish records.

First question - what religious denomination were they?
Which parish? And preferably, which townland?

[ColC]

I have come across this name when researching Kyle relatives in Northern Ireland, this name led me back to Kell. I was reliably informed that name is always written as Kyle - spoken as Kell?

Colin

[aghadowey]

I have come across this name when researching Kyle relatives in Northern Ireland, this name led me back to Kell. I was reliably informed that name is always written as Kyle - spoken as Kell?
Colin

Kyle is pronounced as kile not kell (and sometimes written as Kile in older records).

The surname Kell is found in Dublin- 
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/

There is one KILE entry in civil records (1881 death)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1881/06431/4847802.pdf

[ColC]

"Kyle is pronounced as kile not kell (and sometimes written as Kile in older records)"

That was not my experience in County Antrim.

Colin

[Maiden Stone]

can anyone give me advice on how i may find further information on my 2x great grandfather thomas kell born about 1820 maybe Dublin , and his father james kell
 i am thinking of a visit to Dublin to further my research but need advice on where to start, assuming there is information to be found.

I suggest Irish Genealogy Toolkit as an introduction.
https://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com
Select "Genealogy" tab, begin at "Getting started".

[aghadowey]

"Kyle is pronounced as kile not kell (and sometimes written as Kile in older records)"

That was not my experience in County Antrim.

Colin

In North Antrim and North Derry 'kile' is the common pronunciation and I've not heard 'kell' before.

[ColC]

Extracted from the Kyle family history website.
KYLE is a Scottish place type name taken from the Celtic language “caol”, which means “narrow or straight”. Most European languages were influenced by Latin, which did not use the letter “K” or “Y”.  Early spellings include CEOL; CIL, which was Anglo-Saxon, the German and Dutch, used KEHL, KEIL, KELL, COIL, and KAIL.  The English form was KAIL, KYLL, KAILE, and KILE.  The Anglo-Saxons introduced the letter “Y” to replace the “I”.  The “C” when pronounced “K” was changed to “K” after it was introduced, which leads to the modern spelling of “KYLE”.  Records show some people used these different spellings interchangeably.  A Clerk with an IRISH tongue could readily spell KYLE as COYLE, CEOL, COIL or KOYLE.  Since very few people were well educated spelling suffered greatly throughout written records.  The KYLE Family spellings can be traced back to the year 702 Scots invaders were defeated at Coilsfield by Coilus, a British king. The spelling variations include:  Cael, Caeles, Caelus, Caelius, Cill, Cil, Coales, Coales, Coel, Coelius, Cole, Cola, Coil, Coile, Coils, Coilius, Colees, Coles, Coleye, Colles, Collye, Coyl, Colye, Coyll, Cooals, Cooils, Cooles, Cooyles, Cooyell, Cooylles, Coyl, Coyles, Coylle, Coylles, Coyls, Cyll, Kaal, Kaale, Kail, Kaile, Kaul, Kayle, Kayll, Kile, Koil, Koile, Koiles, Koill, Koyel, Koyl, Kuyle, Kyolle, Kyle, Kylle and there may be others.