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Re: Trying to find reference to a drowning 1890’s
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 13 February 20 16:15 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Rosie! I have been away from the group for a few years due to my health...but I am back now, just a bit rusty! 😉😊
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Re: Trying to find reference to a drowning 1890’s
« Reply #19 on: Friday 14 February 20 20:28 GMT (UK) »
Well...look what I’ve found...
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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Re: Trying to find reference to a drowning 1890’s
« Reply #20 on: Friday 14 February 20 20:32 GMT (UK) »
Bit in further investigation it’s clear that it wasn’t the Rowland I was looking for...I wonder if this is how the story developed!
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire


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Re: Trying to find reference to a drowning 1890’s
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 16 February 20 09:58 GMT (UK) »
Good finds Nellie; does look suspiciously like the origin of the story! Perhaps by a rellie who isn't as meticulous as you....
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Trying to find reference to a drowning 1890’s
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 16 February 20 12:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Josey. I think this is exactly the origin...quite surprised I found it...I used the 3 free credits you get in signing up to https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
I think my relatives in the US might be a bit disappointed as they have had the hero story for the best part of a century. I think what you said the other day is spot on...and you didn’t sound like you were being a “wet blanket”! Xx
In fact  Josey, I think my family are a bunch of story tellers...we have this, the child entertainer and the fairground family. I have traced all the descendants that I possibly can, (and that will reply to my messages) and they have all heard of the fairground story...but there is absolutely nothing to back it up! I wonder, if as with the drowning story, many family anecdotes are either embellished or “Chinese whispered” over time and become totally unrecognisable as the original events!
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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Re: Trying to find reference to a drowning 1890’s
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 16 February 20 12:31 GMT (UK) »
Arthur Rowlands lived at 87 Stamford Street in Lambeth. In the 1901 census he was a cab proprietor. In directories for the early/mid 1890's he was a dairyman. Born Lambeth circa 1868.
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Trying to find reference to a drowning 1890’s
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 16 February 20 12:50 GMT (UK) »
many family anecdotes are either embellished or “Chinese whispered” over time and become totally unrecognisable as the original events!
A bit like the 'story' that there was a Spanish ancestor in my family - none found yet after 12 years researching - solid Ireland, Yorkshire, Surrey & Cornwall all via London once I get back so far.
Seeking: RC baptism Philip Murray Feb ish 1814 ? nr Chatham Kent.
IRE: Kik DRAY[EA], PURCELL, WHITE: Mea LYNCH: Tip MURRAY, SHEEDY: Wem ALLEN, ENGLISHBY; Dub PENROSE: Lim DUNN[E], FRAWLEY, WILLIAMS.
87th Regiment RIF: MURRAY
ENG; Marylebone HAYTER, TROU[W]SDALE, WILLIAMS,DUNEVAN Con HAMPTON, TREMELLING Wry CLEGG, HOLLAND, HORSEFIELD Coventry McGINTY
CAN; Halifax & Pictou: HOLLAND, WHITE, WILLIAMSON

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Re: Trying to find reference to a drowning 1890’s
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 16 February 20 14:12 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Shaun...Arthur  Rowlands isn’t anything to do with me...apart from being the person that my family thought was their hero of a father because he was referred to only by his surname in a newspaper report. Mine is John!
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire

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Re: Trying to find reference to a drowning 1890’s
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 16 February 20 14:14 GMT (UK) »
Yes, Josey. This John Rowland is also meant to be Irish...I’ve had the dna test..no Irish whatsoever! Sort of disproves that theory doesn’t it?  ;) :D
Mayhew,Birch,Coates,Norman - Suffolk
Masters - Somerset
Richardson, Masters, Langridge, Dyer, Chambers - Sussex
Dyer, Luscombe, Hurrell - Devon
Chambers - Brecon
Lambden, Hawkins - Berkshire
Biggs, Cooper, Druce, Hedges, Haywood, Francis,Ward, Skidmore, Pinfold, Dorn, Gardener, Hopgood - Oxfordshire
Francis, Clarke - Lambeth/Surrey
Rowland, Emmett, Lockhart - Southwark/Middlesex
Simpson, Exall, Mann, Frisby,  - Kent
Ward, Teasdale, Smalwood - Yorkshire
Tomkins, Bayliss - Warwickshire