Samuel Shaw -crofter- mid-1700's need help finding

[Alan of Kaslo]

Greetings. When I first came to this site I thought I was pretty good that genealogy Lookup. I have been able to find quite a few of the documents for my family tree. I realized once I got here. That the learning curve is huge and I have a lot of work to do. There are a lot of tools to learn how to use. I am humbly realizing that I am still a beginner at this.

One family Branch. I've been researching is a McMurray of Ireland. My grandfather Samuel was farming in the area of Kilkeel.

I've come to realize that he was actually born in Scotland. I have found his Scottish baptism documents from 1813 that lead to parents Barbara Shaw and James McMurray.

The last document I have is the death cert of his daughter Barbara Shaw.  I have attached her death certificate from 1869. My grandfather's name Is Samuel Mcmurray.

What I'm trying to do at this time is to find the baptism/birth docs for Samuel Shaw - crofter and his daughter Barbra Shaw.

I attached the last document i have which is Barbara Shaw's death cert. She was 85 when she died so born about 1784. Barbara was married to a James Mcmurray and they had my grandfather Samuel.

The people:

James McMurray (possibly born in Ireland).

Unknown mother

Barbra Shaw born in Edinburgh about 1778.

Needed: baptism, marriage , death certs for all of the above.

As I said the only document I have is the death cert of Barbara Shaw. I feel a little bit stock and needing help. Thanks to anyone who has a bit of time.

I guess i just need some advice or a hint or two as i have got a bit brickwalled lately.

Cheers.

Attached Barbara Shaw death cert

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16kL7wfjqIkybcxs1mW0j5XAwy1OGwXDk/view?usp=drivesdk

[Alan of Kaslo]

It turns out i have had James McMurray's death cert for awhile but didn't realize it. I couldn't read it and discarded it. Now i re-checked and I see married to Barabara Shaw! I love finding new grandparents !

https://drive.google.com/file/d/17cad0vd_fv3iRJSdmfWC7VpELHWblCk2/view?usp=drivesdk

[Alan of Kaslo]

If the g-drive links don't work i can upload the pics. Tried a few tmes and it said to big even with a cropping.

James Mcmurray death cert

[Alan of Kaslo]

Here is Samuel Mcmurray's baptism entry from 09/11/1813 Edinburgh
https://drive.google.com/open?id=10zpIVcHR8nN4K8gf2r21D3Bs9suupKiF

I know at some point he moved to Ballinran Northern Ireland and had a farm and mill there. He married a Margaret McKibbin and died there in 1893 (according to his will)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1eAHX1eyJDo-06K8dTpLU4TLab3pvbdFV

Also listed on the page is his bother James Mcmurray. The 3 kids for Barbara Shaw and James McMurray I can find in Scotland are Samuel , James and William:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=10i6yF0ULPksYqEJF-4VqkWHvR2acMAvp

I believe this might be the family of Barbara Shaw and James McMurray in 1851:

https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5903daede9379091b1028fde/barbara-mcmurray-1851-midlothian-st-cuthbert-s-1785-?locale=en

Here's the same family in the 1861 census
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ABznz1VPmjPnPzSysFK_CH2Kf08Q9T8r

In the first census they have children listed as being Scottish that I cannot find no matter how much I search. The children I listed were older and had moved out by the time of the 1851 census. The reason I think it's the Barbara Shaw family is because in James McMurray's death cert it says the informant was John McMurray son... Then in Barbara Shaw's death cert it says found by Samuel McMurray grandson. If you combine all that it appears to be Samuel McMurray 1813's family.

Things I cannot find no matter how I look:

-Birth/Baptism of Barbara Shaw in Scotland in/around 1787 (father Samuel Shaw)
-Birth/Baptism of Samuel Shaw and his unknown spouse
-Marriage of Barbara Shaw and James McMurray (could be in Ireland)
-Birth/Baptism of Scottish-born sons John or Robert mentioned in the 1851 census
-Birth/Baptism of James McMurray in Ireland or birth/marriage of his parents mentioned

Because the moved back and forth from Scotland to Ireland their records are spread around. I have been having troubles finding pre-1890 Irish records that work out. Even the people listed as being from Scotland like Barbara Shaw and Samuel Shaw have been eluding me for some time now.

I feel happy to have found that Barbara's father is Samuel and James McMurray's parents are James McMurray and Mary Roberts. That is more then I knew before. Now I am trying to fill in some detail and names.

Thanks

[Kloumann]

Have you looked at the 1851 & 1861 census records to see where they were all born? They were in St Cuthberts in 1851 & St Giles in 1861 but no trace of them in Scotland in 1841

[Kloumann]

James McMurray born 20/09/1811, Samuel born 09/11/1813, both in Carrington or Primrose which is south of Edinburgh. Parents transcribed as James McMurray & Barbery Shaw.

[Alan of Kaslo]

Yeah I could only find sons James , Samuel and William born  in Scotland. The other ones in the census say born in Scotland but no sign of them after exhaustive search. Mostly I was looking them up to prove their mother was Barbara Shaw.

[Kloumann]

Yes. William was the eldest born in Scotland. 05/08/1809 in Temple which not far from Carrington.

What were the place of births for James & Barbara on the census?

[Alan of Kaslo]

James McMurray it says Ireland and Barbara Shaw it says Gatehouse Kirkcudbrightshire . She died in 1869 at 85...should be born 1784.

No birth in Scotland of a Barbara  to a Samuel Shaw anytime around there.