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Re: 1930 Birth Certificate in New York City - what would it show?
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 13:55 GMT (UK) »
His birth record would only have told you, mother: Nora Barrett, born in Ireland. Maybe a place of birth would have been a clue, if it wasn't a hospital, but a street address. Maybe the informant's name, if it wasn't his father or mother.

No sign of Nora in 1930?

as for Henry's date of death and the date of the message--at 89, someone else might have been handling the DNA submission and the ancestry account. Is Henry the home person or  a descendant? are there descendants on the tree?

Where does your own Irish ancestry point to, have you found out?

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It was very gracious of them to mention his real mother in the obituary, and unusual, I thought.

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Re: 1930 Birth Certificate in New York City - what would it show?
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 14:41 GMT (UK) »
1925 NYC City Directory
Barrett, Nora maid resides 940 East 174th
no Rafael Vila
 
1927-1932 NYC Business Directory only
    no section for barbers in the ones I looked through

1931 Manhattan City Directory
Barrett
  Nora 413 E 143rd
  Nora 70 W 106th
Vila
  no Rafael Vila

1933 NYC City Directory
  "B" is missing
  Vila, Rafael barber at 1736 Madison Ave, resides at 51 W 111th
  many other Vilas

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Re: 1930 Birth Certificate in New York City - what would it show?
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 16:09 GMT (UK) »
started at stevemorse.org. looked for NY arrivals.
first name: starts with Nora, last name: starts with Barret, born 1885 to 1913, arrived 1920 to 1924. found 5.
she is not
name, residence, age, born (range), arrival date:
Barret, Norah, Moycullen, Ireland, 20, 1899-1900, 1920, headed to Boston
Barrett, Nora, Ballina, Co. Mayo, Ireland, 20, 1903-1904, 1924, headed to Chicago
Barrett, Noran, Cork, Ireland, 21, 1902-1903, 1924, headed to Chicago

may be:
name, residence, age, born (range), arrival date:
Barrett, Nora, Mallow, Ireland, 24, 1895-1896, 1920, headed to the Bronx
Barrett, Nora, Castlegregory, Ireland, 18, 1904-1905, 1923, headed to her sister Miss Martha/Bertha Barrett, 498? West 51st, contact in Ireland: Mother? Mrs Barrett, Clahane, Castlegregory, Co. Kerry

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If I get a chance I'll look at earlier and later arrivals sometime soon.
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The 1911 Census showed 33 people named Nora Barrett in Ireland, born 1884 to 1911. Counties: Cork, Kerry, Galway, Mayo, Limerick, Waterford, Dublin
Do any of the counties ring a bell with your ancestry?

But that doesn't include Norah or Hanora, or Barret. So ...


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Re: 1930 Birth Certificate in New York City - what would it show?
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 16:42 GMT (UK) »
Rafael Vila's father's name was Enrique, so Henry was named after him. I was hoping "Henry" could be a clue to Nora Barrett's father.

Rafael's death
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WPN-6H9

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Re: 1930 Birth Certificate in New York City - what would it show?
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 17:51 GMT (UK) »
If he was adopted, that puts another wrinkle in the situation.  Typically, the birth record would be changed to include the adopted parents' information, so if Nora was the birth mother, she would not be listed on a standard birth record.

New York recently changed its law to allow adoptees to receive their original birth certificates.  A direct line descendant can also order it, but that's it.  The information is here if you are able to find a direct line descendant.  https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/services/birth-certificates.page#adoption

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Re: 1930 Birth Certificate in New York City - what would it show?
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 18:27 GMT (UK) »
Of the arrivals, I think you can eliminate:
name, residence, age, born (range), arrival date:
Barrett, Nora, Mallow, Ireland, 24, 1895-1896, 1920, headed to the Bronx
Here is the full information on her from the image:
Barrett, Nora, 24, single, from  Mallow, Ireland, 24, 1895-1896, 1920, headed to her sister, Mrs Denis Donovan, 1843 Bronx Avenue, Bronx, born in Mallow, contact in Ireland: brother Cornelius Barrett, 21 Ballydahee, Mallow

I think you can eliminate her. A Nora Barrett married a man named William Murphy 31 Jan 1932 in the Bronx. I think she probably stayed in one place once she arrived.

Her sister could be one of the young women in the household in 1911, I haven't double checked.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Mallow/Bridge_Street/430346/

This Norah was born 13 April 1895 Ballydaheen, Mallow, to John Barrett and Elizabeth Connell

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Re: 1930 Birth Certificate in New York City - what would it show?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 18:31 GMT (UK) »
And another arrival I think you can eliminate is:

left Queenstown 5 September 1926, arrived 13 Sep 1926

Nora Barrett, 26, single, domestic servant,  born in Limerick, Ireland, had been in US from 1921 to 1926, visa issued Aug 5, 1926, Washington, last permanent residence: New York City, destination: home 703 9th Avenue, NYC. contact in ireland: Mother Mrs Mary Barrett, 4 Taylor Row, Gerald Griffin Street, Limerick City, Limerick

She was born 13 Jun 1894, Palmerstown, Limerick, daughter of Thomas Barrett and Mary Harty.

1911 Census: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Limerick/Limerick_No__6_Urban__Pt__of_/Taylor_s_Row/628162/

A tree at ancestry says she had a son William Jones, b 25 Aug 1929. if so, she married William Jones, 20 July 1927. This tree is small and has a lot of family pictures attached, so I kind of trust it. But without the image of the marriage record, you can't be 100% sure. Keep her in the file somewhere.

https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/51242655/person/26074736965/facts

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Re: 1930 Birth Certificate in New York City - what would it show?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 18:35 GMT (UK) »
That leaves her, among the arrivals I found between 1920 and 1929:
name, residence, age, born (range), arrival date:
Barrett, Nora, Castlegregory, Ireland, 18, 1904-1905, 1923, headed to her sister Miss Martha/Bertha Barrett, 498? West 51st, contact in Ireland: Mother? Mrs Barrett, Clahane, Castlegregory, Co. Kerry

She was born 24 Aug 1906, Cloghane, daughter of Andrew Barrett, a mason, and Johanna Lynch
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01724/1682096.pdf

and is at home in 1911, Cloghane
Andrew Barrett, 55, born in Kerry, mason
Johanna Barrett, 43,
Patrick Lynch, father in law, 74, Kerry
Noran Barrett, 4, Kerry
others in household also
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kerry/Cloghane/Cloghane_Town/295011/

I can't eliminate her. A tree has her as the woman marrying in the Bronx, but why? Why not the Nora who is already in the Bronx? Again the marriage record image would be helpful. And I didn't find a sister Martha/Bertha. The closest was Bridget.

edited to add
For all these, I shouldn't have said "eliminate". I should have said less probable or more probable.

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Re: 1930 Birth Certificate in New York City - what would it show?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 20:15 GMT (UK) »
1931 Manhattan City Directory
Barrett, Nora 70 W 106th
1933 NYC City Directory
  Vila, Rafael barber at 1736 Madison Ave, resides at 51 W 111th
These three addresses are pretty close together, according to Google maps.