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Arthur Isaacs and family late 1800s
« on: Tuesday 18 February 20 23:25 GMT (UK) »
Trying to trace Arthur Isaacs and his ancestors. I know he married my grandmother in 1915 in Islington and he died in 1931, alone , in Bristol.  His lineage is Polish/Russian I believe.

Any help gratefully received

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Re: Arthur Isaacs and family late 1800s
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 18 February 20 23:35 GMT (UK) »
Do you know his spouses name?
Stewart. Scott. Bruce. McPherson. McMurray. McKibbin . McKay. McCann. Mckrinkine. McClewnan. McCallum. Joss. Ross. Morrison. Chapman. Middlemiss. Robinson. Conlon. Duffy. Dalgarno. Crookshank. Gammack. Ramsay. Mutch. Crawford. Orr. Galbraith. Kerr. Fergusson. Campbell.

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Re: Arthur Isaacs and family late 1800s
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 18 February 20 23:41 GMT (UK) »
His spouse was Louisa Sarah Healey (she converted to Judaism). Born any 1894.  She was older than Arthur.  On their marriage certificate it says that one of the witnesses was Gerald Isaacs, Arthur’s father but I can’t find Gerald anywhere

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Re: Arthur Isaacs and family late 1800s
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 01:50 GMT (UK) »
I'm not coming up with anything on Census or any of my subscription sites... Do you have any more info on Gerald such as where he might have been born , where he for sure resided , an occupation an estimated date of death or place of death?
Stewart. Scott. Bruce. McPherson. McMurray. McKibbin . McKay. McCann. Mckrinkine. McClewnan. McCallum. Joss. Ross. Morrison. Chapman. Middlemiss. Robinson. Conlon. Duffy. Dalgarno. Crookshank. Gammack. Ramsay. Mutch. Crawford. Orr. Galbraith. Kerr. Fergusson. Campbell.


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Re: Arthur Isaacs and family late 1800s
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 02:18 GMT (UK) »
What does it say on the marriage certificate for Arthur's father - name and occupation?

According to his death registration he was 34 years old in 1931, so born c1897. There are 6 births registered  in his name between 1896 and 1998 (and another 4 for Arthur ISAAC), but as Alan says, I can't see any on the 1901 census with father Gerald.

Doesn't help with his family, but there is this item from 1923 that may be your Arthur:

"BRISTOL ACCIDENTS ...
Yesterday morning the St John Ambulance were called to Peter Street, where they found that Arthur Isaacs, of 6, St. Michael's Hill, aged 28, had been knocked down by a car, and had received internal injuries. After first aid had been rendered, the injured man was conveyed to the Bristol Royal Infirmary and detained."
Western Daily Press, Friday,  Aug. 24, 1923

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Re: Arthur Isaacs and family late 1800s
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 04:25 GMT (UK) »
Nope, absolutely nothing at all.  It seems very odd.  The only thing I can tell you is that he just appears on the certificate and then then completely disappears.  No address or occupation on the certificate either.  Arthur’s occupation is down as tailor’s assistant.  Mot that he stuck to that. When he died in Bristol he was alone as far as I know, certainly not with my grandmother, and it was the landlord of the lodgings he was living in that registered the death. My mum never told us anything if this- I’ve gleaned it from research - she just told us the bare bones that the family at some point in time came over from the Polish/Russian border and settled in the East End of London.   Also, the family never knew that her now deceased sister’s middle name was Olga .  My mum only ever added that the family spoke Yiddish/English at home and that her Jewish religious name was Esther Yetta (her real name was Enid) she did say however that the family had to change their surname to Wilson because of the war though she married my dad with the maiden name of Isaacs and Arthur served inWw1 as Isaacs (again another fact she never spoke about).  As Arthur died in 1931 as Isaacs , so between the wars, it doesn’t make sense. When she was 15 my mother went to Pitman’s secretarial school under the name of Enid Wilson yet reverted back at some point to Isaacs.  The other siblings did not however. As I said it’s a real mystery. Did wonder if the original family were illegal immigrants or that Gerald never existed at all in reality. When Arthur and Louisa married she was about 21. He however was younger. About 19 we think. She wasn’t pregnant with my mum at this point .  Well, you know what I know now.  Thank you so much for trying to help. It is really appreciated.

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Re: Arthur Isaacs and family late 1800s
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 05:49 GMT (UK) »
I can't see any Arthur ISAACS tailor's assistant in the 1911 census. The closest I can see to your family story might be this "A ISAACS", born 1895 Hackney, boot shop assistant, with father "E ISAACS" born 1863 Poland, boot upper machinist.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWG8-NB1

I'll see if I can find some more details.  :)

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Re: Arthur Isaacs and family late 1800s
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 06:06 GMT (UK) »
In 1922 there is an Arthur Isaacs on the Mauretania going to NY from Southampton
Age 26
A tailor.

Address 64 Shepherds Hill. Stongton, or Stoughton something like that.


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Re: Arthur Isaacs and family late 1800s
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 06:29 GMT (UK) »
I can't see any Arthur ISAACS tailor's assistant in the 1911 census. The closest I can see to your family story might be this "A ISAACS", born 1895 Hackney, boot shop assistant, with father "E ISAACS" born 1863 Poland, boot upper machinist.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWG8-NB1

I'll see if I can find some more details.  :)

I suspect that "E ISAACS" is meant to be an "L" - Lazarus ISAACS, born c1863 in Poland. I suspect his first wife (and mother of the older children in the 1911 census) died and he remarried Polly SAUNDERS in Dec quarter 1903. The children Mark (1908) and Felix (1905) have mother's maiden name SAUNDERS.

Whether this is your family, I'm still not sure?  :-\

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He appears in the 1901 at Stoke Newington:
Lazarus Isaacs     36   Poland  (boot machinist)
Myers Isaacs  Son  15  London
Isaac Isaacs   Son  12  London
Alfred Isaacs  Son  6   London
Emma Nowell  Servant  40   London

As son appears "Alfred" (not "Arthur") , makes me doubt this is the right family.