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Adopted son J. A. Galdemar Dunn with McKay family
« on: Wednesday 19 February 20 13:00 GMT (UK) »
1891 census 2 cathcart place
Shettleston  transcript has

Jean Anatol Galdemar +
Jean Anatol Dunn

Both age 7 both born Glasgow

With Neil McKay boiler maker
+ His wife and some children

Daughter Fanny is a housekeeper at the same address but different appartment 1901 Census

Where did these boys come from and where did they go to ?

🤔I've modified title as it's proved to be the same child
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Re: Adopted sons .J. A.Galdemar + j Dunn with McKay family
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 13:05 GMT (UK) »
There is a John McKay with his parents at same address in 1901 but he's 20

Neil's wife is Jean Sneddon sometimes known as Fanny McKay

I've found baptisms of some  of their  other children Angus, Catherine .Helen.fanny

But not this John  so he's a likely candidate for one of the boys
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Re: Adopted sons .J. A.Galdemar + j Dunn with McKay family
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 14:16 GMT (UK) »
Jean Anatol Galdemar +
Jean Anatol Dunn
Where did these boys come from and where did they go to ?
Jean Anatol Dun and Jean Anatole Galdemar are both in the births index at SP, both born 1883 in Glasgow Gorbals.

Clement Galdemar married E Maurice in Edinburgh in 1873. 5 deaths of infant Galdemars in SP deaths index, only one of whom was born in Scotland. No adult deaths.

1871 census has Jean Galdemar, 21, student of medicine, born Mauritius, and wife Jane Galdemar, 18, born Edinburgh. 

1881 has Jane C Galdemar, 27, daughter, widow, in the household of Thomas Dun and his wife Alison Cosser in Edinburgh.

1891 Census transcription at FindMyPast suggests there is only one Jean Anatol, surname Dunn OR Galdemar. SP census index lists two at the same address.

So perhaps there is just one boy, born illegitimate to Jane Cosser Dunn, widow of Jean Galdemar, and registered once in the registration district where he was born and once in the district where his mother's domicile was.

I wonder if John Hogg Galdemar, born and died 1881, was a son of Jane Cosser or Galdemar?

You need to get some of those certificates and see what they tell you.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Adopted sons .J. A.Galdemar + j Dunn with McKay family
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 15:42 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Forfaren great finds
It was just curiosity when researching a Mckye relative

I thought it was odd that they should have such french sounding first names

I have a DNA connection to Hugh McKay but not to any Dunn or Galdamor surnames

I've messaged someone who has a pic of a student
 * Correction Jean *Galdemar on ancestry

Ps you've reminded me to phone SP + find whyh I'm not getting new password

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Re: Adopted sons .J. A.Galdemar + j Dunn with McKay family
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 16:42 GMT (UK) »
 got my new SP password  this story is worth spending some credits on

Especially as the Mauritius link Connects with the photo
On ancestry

But surely if  Jean Galdemar was a student in 1871 and he'd died by 1881  he couldn't have had two sons in 1883

I suspect either Jane Dunn passed herself of as a widow

And used married name for a son by another man

And /or  Jean Galdemar had another son by a different woman

For both sons to be adopted by the McKay's it would have to be a connection thru the father

I'm off to SP I'll be a while....am very slow and struggling to type which is why I modify my posts later.
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Re: Adopted sons .J. A.Galdemar + j Dunn with McKay family
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 16:53 GMT (UK) »
But surely if  Jean Galdemar was a student in 1871 and he'd died by 1881  he couldn't have had two sons in 1883
Correct.

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I suspect either Jane Dunn passed herself of as a widow
She is described as a widow in the 1881 census return for her father's household. She wasn't 'passing herself off as a widow'.

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And used married name for a son by another man
an illegitimate child born to a widow is normally registered under both her maiden name and her married name, even if it is obvious that the child cannot be her husband's.

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For both sons to be adopted by the McKays it would have to be a connection thru the father
I looked at the 1891 census. There is only one boy, Jean Anatol Dunn or Galdemar.  So it's not a case of two boys, but of one boy registered twice.

Nor is there necessarily any blood relationship between the McKays and Jean Anatole.

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Re: Adopted sons .J. A.Galdemar + j Dunn with McKay family
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 17:23 GMT (UK) »
Ha ha you got there way ahead of me
Looking at original census 1891
Jean Anatole DUN or Galdemer
Adopted son Glasgow

I looked at the birth  record that said the child was a female
Its very scrunched up and I can't read the address ( where has the function on SP for reading transcripts gone ? )

definitely Jean Anatol Dun /Galdemar is a boy
Father given as Jean Anatole Galdemar doctor of medicine died 2nd Oct 1879

( A very long pregnancy) I wonder if the real father was a McKay
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Re: Adopted sons .J. A.Galdemar + j Dunn with McKay family
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 17:26 GMT (UK) »
John Hogg Galdermar was one of the 5deaths died as a baby

There seem to be no church records for this name

The census record 1871 as you
Said is for Jean 21 b Mauritius and wife Jane 18 b Edinburgh
Living on their own
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Re: Adopted sons .J. A.Galdemar + j Dunn with McKay family
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 19 February 20 19:01 GMT (UK) »
The birth certificate of John Hogg Cosser Galdemar says that he was the illegitimate son of Jane Cosser, widow of John Galdemar Doctor of Medicine who died at Paris on 25th October 1877.
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