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Re: Downton births
« Reply #9 on: Monday 24 February 20 16:09 GMT (UK) »
This Link was given in a forum reply a few days ago - Under the heading:

Marriage at St James Trowbridge 1830 (no connection to your POORE family, but a useful link)

No idea of the dates covers - or whether this is one family.....

Wiltshire Family History Society

www.wiltshirefhs.co.uk/index.php/component/content/article?id=4128

This CD contains amonst other sections,  bastardly bond.  A quick check for POOR/E ....

POOR - Sarah : Bastardly Vol 2 Part 1

POORE
Charles : Bastardy Vol 1 Part 1 and Bastardy Vol 2 Part 1

Elizabeth : Bastardy Vol 2 Part 1

James : Bastardy Vol 1 Part 2 and Bastardy Vol 2 Part 1

John : Bastardy Vol 1 Part 1, Part 3 etc

Sarah : Bastardy Vol 1 Part 2 and Bastardy Vol 2 Part 1

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also CHALK/E inc a Hannah


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On Google Books :

Seeking a Better Future:  The English Pioneers of Ontario and...

'Passenger List for the Crossing of the King William in April 1836 from London to Quebec with 279 Paupers from Wiltshire (Ken Light, "Wiltshire England Emigrants: The Downton Story 1835-1836") by Lucille H CAMPEY

inc

William BAMPTON - 38 married
Sarah BAMPTON - 40  (c1796)  **
John POORE - 15 - son-in-law
Charles POORE - 13
Joseph POORE - 10
James BAMPTON - 6
Mary BAMPTON - 4
Sarah BAMPTON - 2


Henry POORE - 32 married and Mary Ann POORE 22

also some CHALK's listed.


----Marriage at Downton

7 May 1831

William BAMPTON of this Parish and Sarah POORE

witnesses: William POPE and William BAILEY


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This POORE family appear to be Non-Conformists

Baptism at Downton, South Lane Chapel (Baptist) 1800-1837

Sarah POORE daughter of Chas POOLE and his Wife Mary of the Parish of Downton in the County of Wiltshire was born the Seventh of October 1798 and registered on the 26 of June 1800 by Mr John BRAIN Protestant Difsenting Minister.

By 1803 (3 March 1803) at Nunton, St Andrew, Wiltshire

Charles POORE of this Parish married Grace BUDDEN -

Charles & Grace POORE of Downton, then had a Son, John POORE christed at the same place as his daughter Sarah (1800) - John was born January 18 1807 and registered February 4 1807. Again Non-conformist.


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Re: Downton births
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 25 February 20 03:57 GMT (UK) »
Once again many thanks for your extensive research for me. It is greatly appreciated. I am related to the Poores that went to Canada.
Sarah Bampton was Sarah Hunt when she married George Poore in 1819 George died in 1825 and Sarah married William Bampton.
Joseph, Charles and John are my 3rd Cousins 3 times removed!!
I will persevere in my attempt to find more about William's second marriage and his death.
It's been a pleasure to have been in contact with you.
Regards,
don.

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Re: Downton births
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 25 February 20 08:42 GMT (UK) »
Can see from WiltshireBMD

Charles POORE married Elizabeth HENDERSON in 1852 at Salisbury Register Office
? Have you a copy of this marriage and does he say his father was William and who were the witnesses.


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Ancestry:

South Australia, Australia Passenger Lists, 1853

Charles POORE - 39
Elizabeth POORE - 32
Mary A POORE - 10 (GRO Index: Mary Ann: 1842 J Qtr Alderbury Union (M.M.N : BEAUMONT)
Edward POORE - 7 (GRO Index: Edward HENDERSON, 1846 M Qtr Alderbury Union - n.m.m.n)
Jane POORE - 1 (GRO Index: Jane HENDERSON, 1851 D Qtr Alderbury, no mother's maiden name)

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Downton burials

Eliza POORE abode: Morgan's Vale 14 January 1852 - aged 36.
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Mary Anne POORE - baptised at Downton - 11 May 1842, Charles (Labourer) & Eliza


Edward HENDERSON, baptised 18 January 1846, Downton, Wiltshire, mother, Elizabeth HENDERSON


Jane HENDERSON,
baptised 28 December 1851, Nunton, St Andrew, Wiltshire, mother, Elizabeth HENDERSON

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1851 Census, Nunton and Bodenham
Church Lane

HENDERSON
George - 57 - Farm labourer born Ireland
Elizabeth - daughter, unmarried aged 30 born Wilts, Downton
William - Son - 19 born Whiteparish
Henry - son 15 born Sherfield ? Hants
Thos - son 12  born ditto
Edward - Grandson 5 born Charlton

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? George POOLE doesn't appear on the list for Australia, (I can't open up to see actual document) but is on the Public Members Tree

GRO Index

POORE, George, 1838, S Qtr in Alderbury Union, mother's maiden name: BEAUMONT

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There are two

William POORE's buried at Downton within a couple of years


William POORE - buried 11 August 1872
The transcript says he was aged 70 - and  Abode is Majors Vale  (he's on the 1861 Census - which covers Morgans Vale)

(Sarah POORE) of Downton, buried 21 January 1872 aged 81


the second one

William POORE - buried 28 June 1874
The transcript says he was aged 87 - Abode: Downton

1871 Census
High Street

William POORE - Mar 83 - Ag Lab. born Wilts, Downton
Sarah POORE - Mar - 83 - Ag. Lab. born Wilts, Downton


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From your request, I also learnt about the hard times in Downton and can understand, why they 'stole' and also emigrated to Canada/Australia etc.

from reading....

GENUKI Wiltshire

Downton

Under the Section:

Emigration and Immigration
The Downton Story

'Downton Mass Exodus'

Where 10% of the Parish in left for Canada 1836 - (His Majesty's Government changed the law to allow a parish to borrow fund to pay for the passage of paupers to a British Colony).

The agricultural depression of the late 1820's into the mid 1830's...  The poor harvest from 1828 - 1830.


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Re: Downton births
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 25 February 20 23:36 GMT (UK) »
I do have a copy which states William Poore, labourer and George Henderson, shepherd.
Witnesses were William Henderson and Rosina Nicholas
Charles and Elizabeth together with George, Mary Ann,Edward and Jane left Southampton for South Australia in 1853 aboard the Magdalena.George was listed separately from the rest under a heading of Young Males. Interesting to note that the witnesses to Charles's and Eliza's wedding were George and Betty Newman.
Charles,Eliza and children lived in 96 Morgans Vale.
Please will my William stand up!! All your information has been an inspiration for me to keep searching. Thank you so much for your time,effort and patience on my behalf.
Regards,Don.

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Re: Downton births
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 26 February 20 07:58 GMT (UK) »
There is a Marriage at Downton : May 8th 1843

William REEVES - full age, Bachelor, labourer, residence: Downton Morgans Vale
father: William REEVES - labourer

Betty NEWMAN full age, Spinster, residence: Downtons Morgan Vale
father : Thomas Newman (dead)

witnesses: George NEWMAN
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and Mary Anns (POORE????) it's got a blob of Ink of the first letter and quite hard to read.

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Betty NEWMAN's signature appears to be the same as when she witnessed Charles POORE's marriage (unless someone else wrote her name down each time?)
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Unfortunately, Ancestry, doesn't have a search engine for witnesses, which is so useful.

e.g.

When Henry BEAUCHAMP Widower, occupation, Carpenter, of Downton (no father listed) - married Sarah COOPER aged 20 at Downton 25 December 1841 (father William COOPER, labourer) - the witnesses were George NEWMAN and Betty NEWMAN and the signatures are the same as Charles POOLE witnesses writing.  Henry signs himself, Henry BEACHEM (without the P at the end)

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Then we have a Marriage a Downton - 11th January 1835

Thomas WEBB and Harriet PRATT
This time the witnesses are : Henry BEACHEM and the mark of Ann EARNEY

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Marriage at Downton, July 29th 1838

John MATTHEWS  to
Anne ARNEY - Spinster of Downton, father Charles ARNEY, labourer.

Baptismat Downton, 14 May 1815, Anne ARNEY, father: Charles, mother: Mary Anne

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Marriage at Downton: 3 January 1844

George NEWMAN - Batchelor, Blacksmith of Morgans Vale, father: Thomas NEWMAN - Farmer
Mary Ann POPE - Spinster, of Downton, father John POPE, Carpenter

witnesses: Henry POPE and Frances POPE .... The two signatures of George NEWMAN and Mary Ann POPE - are identical to the wedding witnesses above.


1851 Census, Wiltshire, Downton
Morgans Vale

NEWMAN

George - 39 Blacksmith - all born Downton, Wiltshire
Mary Ann - 34
Sarah - 6 (GRO Index, mother's maiden name: POPE)



Eliza BEAUMONT - witnesses : Charles & Mary Ann NEWMAN
Henry BEAUCHAMP second marriage 1841) (signed himself: BEACHEM - witnesses again Charles & Mary Ann NEWMAN)

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EARNEY/ARNEY etc


1851 Census, Wiltshire
Downton

Morgans Vale

REEVES

William - 41 Carpenter - all born in Wiltshire, Downton
Betty - 42 (c1809)
George - 7
Frank - 5
Mark - 3
Ann - 5 months

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Betty NEWMAN - baptised at Downton, 2 April 1809
parents: Thos. NEWMAN and Susanah

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There are a couple of POORE/ NEWMAN marriages at Downton

the earliest one is

James POORE and Sarah NEWMAN - 5  January 1815

witnesses: Abraham NEWMAN and William POPE

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Re: Downton births
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 26 February 20 15:14 GMT (UK) »
My relatives, all lived so close to each other, and also travelled together in groups...


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Not sure who Charles son of Anne EVERY baptised at Downton - 16 February 1812

May be William POORE and Mary Ann - took him in.


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Looking at the 1851 census with your family

Morgan VALE

Charles POORE - 38 Ag. Lab - born Witshire, Down
Eliza - 35
George - 12
Mary Ann - 9



three houses down we have

Elizabeth ARNEY - 23 Lace Maker
Fanny - 15
Eliza - 13


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On the 1841 Census, Downton - Morgan Vale

next to your family

is Harriet ARNEY - 40
Sarah - 15
Elizabeth - 15
Susannah - 10
William - 10
Fanny - 5 (christened at Downton, 29 Sept 1833, parents: James & Harriet)
Eliza 4


This tree is on Ancestry

William ARNEY 1764-1817 and Sarah COOPER

James ARNEY baptised 17 August 1794 at Downton, Wiltshire


Ancestry has:

Mary Anne ARNEY baptised 4 April 1790 at Downton, parents: William & Sarah

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Re: Downton births
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 26 February 20 23:09 GMT (UK) »
Once again a lot of information to ponder over and thank you.
You pose an interesting observation as regards to Charles and Ann Every. I've always been puzzled as to why I haven't been able to discover Charles being born to William and Mary in 1812.
This could well be the reason.
You have set quite a deal of homework for me!!
Many thanks again for your interest.
Regards,
Don.