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Please Help Identify This Crest!
« on: Thursday 20 February 20 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Hi everyone. New here. Hoping someone can help identify this crest I received as a gift. Thanks in advance for any help!

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Re: Please Help Identify This Crest!
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 20 February 20 12:40 GMT (UK) »
North Europe someplace?

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Re: Please Help Identify This Crest!
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 20 February 20 15:23 GMT (UK) »
What you have pictured is a coat-of-arms.
The crests are the helmets, and associated bits, on top of the shield ;D

Multiple helmets, and crests, are indicative of Northern European Heraldry - as Skoosh already said.

Very seldom, if ever, seen on English Heraldry.
And not on Scots Heraldry either, I believe?

The wikipedia entry on Helmets (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmet_(heraldry)) says:
In some traditions, especially German and Nordic heraldry, two or three helmets (and sometimes more) may be used in a single achievement of arms, each representing a fief to which the bearer has a right. For this reason, the helmets and crests in German and Nordic arms are considered to be essential to the coat of arms and are never separated from it.
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Please Help Identify This Coat of Arms!
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 12:03 GMT (UK) »
Thanks all! Is there any way to determine specifically where it came from or what it means?


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Re: Please Help Identify This Crest!
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 12:06 GMT (UK) »
You would need to engage a researcher who specialises in German Heraldry.
Don't think they would be cheap?
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Re: Please Help Identify This Crest!
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 12:09 GMT (UK) »
You would need to engage a researcher who specialises in German Heraldry.
Don't think they would be cheap?

Thanks KGarrad. Where are all the RootsChat members who are researchers who specialise in German Heraldry??? LOL ;D

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Re: Please Help Identify This Crest!
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 03 March 20 15:10 GMT (UK) »
A crown with 8 arches, most European crowns ditto! supporters 2 crowned lions & 4 lions on the shield. Looks a bit like Luxembourg? Google their arms.

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Re: Please Help Identify This Crest!
« Reply #7 on: Friday 27 March 20 23:55 GMT (UK) »
Looks like Skoosh is right, it´s Luxembourg

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_(Luxemburg)#

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Luxembourg#/media/File:Luxemburg_groot_wapen_1898.svg

just for the  books, i have no idea whatsoever of heraldry
I am just forwarding the answers from other very competent people i have asked.


Shield:
2 golden, crowned lions, red tongued
A royal crown with purple ermine cloak

The shield has 16 Fields

Field 1: Grafschaft Saarbrücken: Blue, with silver crosses and golden lion.
Field 2: Herrschaft Merenberg: green with golden cross
Field 3: Grafen von Weilnau, 2 red lions on a gold background.
Field 4: Grafen von Moers, black bar on a gold background
Field 5: Grafen von Katzenelnbogen, crowned red lion on a gold background.
Field 8: Grafen von Saarwerden, a red tongued double eagle on black backround
Field 9: Grafen von Dietz, 2 golden lions on a red background.
Field 12: Geroldseck-Lahr, red bar on a gold background
Field 13: Grafschaft Vianden, silver bar on a red background
Field 14: Burggrafen von Kirchberg, 3 black vertical bars on a silver background.
Field 15: Grafen von Sayn, crowned golden lion on a red background.
Field 16: Lahr-Mahlberg, crowned black lion on a golden background.

Middle shield / quartered
Fields 1 und 4: Herzogtum Nassau: red tongued golden crowned lions on a blue background.

Fields 2 und 3: Großherzogtum Luxemburg, double tailed crowned red lions on a blue background with silver stripes

the crest has 6 helmets:
1: Grafschaft Nassau.
2: Großherzogtum Luxemburg.
3: Grafschaft Saarbrücken.
4: Grafschaft Dietz.
5: Grafschaft Moers.
6: Grafschaft Sayn.

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Dave

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Re: Please Help Identify This Crest!
« Reply #8 on: Monday 30 March 20 07:03 BST (UK) »
Looks like Skoosh is right, it´s Luxembourg
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Dave

Awesome! Thank you so much!