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John BEDFORD (b 1856) Whittlesey - What happened to his children?
« on: Saturday 22 February 20 08:08 GMT (UK) »
I'm trying to figure out an apparent anomaly on a 1911 census return for Whittlesey. Obviously I know it was the first to be filled in by the householder himself. Mr Bedford is at home with his wife and 12 year old son. The part of the statement that he made that I am questioning  is the following:

Total children born alive: 9; Children still living: 2; Children who have died: 7

Now I know that he married Fanny Sarson in 1883 - and that in a couple of records her MMN is given as Syerson, but so far I have only found five recorded births - of which three died in infancy - for this couple. I'm looking for an explanation for the missing four.

I did have a similar finding in another county (Leicestershire). There the Welford Road cemetery has an area for the burial of stillbirths and these are recorded with the parents' or mother's name in the cemetery records.

Has John Bedford done the same - and recorded stillbirths? Is there a similar record for the Whittlesey Cemetery?

Thank you

Alan
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Buckinghamshire: Cook
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Re: John BEDFORD (b 1856) Whittlesey - What happened to his children?
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 22 February 20 08:57 GMT (UK) »
There is an 8 year gap between Florence Jane 1891-1892 and Ernest John in 1899. Possibilty there.

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Re: John BEDFORD (b 1856) Whittlesey - What happened to his children?
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 22 February 20 09:05 GMT (UK) »
I too only see 5.

BEDFORD, JOHN  WILLIAM mmn SYERSON died 1884
GRO Reference: 1884  S Quarter in WHITTLESEY  Volume 03B  Page 597

BEDFORD, FRANCES  ANNIE mmn SYERSON 
GRO Reference: 1886  M Quarter in WHITTLESEY  Volume 03B  Page 614

BEDFORD, WILLIAM  JOHN mmn SARSON died 1891
GRO Reference: 1889  D Quarter in WHITTLESEY  Volume 03B  Page 570

BEDFORD, FLORENCE  JANE mmn SARSON died 1892
GRO Reference: 1891  S Quarter in WHITTLESEY  Volume 03B  Page 553

BEDFORD, ERNEST  JOHN mmn SARSON 
GRO Reference: 1899  J Quarter in WHITTLESEY  Volume 03B  Page 578

Are deaths recorded if the births aren’t?

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Re: John BEDFORD (b 1856) Whittlesey - What happened to his children?
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 22 February 20 09:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi Jamjar

Stillbirths aren't recorded - and therefore deaths aren't. As mentioned above I did find a different family in Leicester with a number of stillbirths because they were recorded amongst the burials at Welford Road Cemetery.

Alan
Leicester / Northampton: Craxford,  Claypole, Pridmore, Pollard, Tansley, Crane, Tilley
Derby: Naylor, Ball, Haywood
Buckinghamshire: Cook
London: Craxford, Lane Crauford
Tyneside: Nessworthy, Simpson
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Re: John BEDFORD (b 1856) Whittlesey - What happened to his children?
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 22 February 20 09:23 GMT (UK) »
I see this death WHITTLESEY FreeBMD, but no birth on GRO UK:

DEC 1900 Bedford Albert Saunders 0

He is on FreeBMD, though SEP 1900.

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Re: John BEDFORD (b 1856) Whittlesey - What happened to his children?
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 22 February 20 09:28 GMT (UK) »
Hi Amondg

I'm just wondering if your "possibility there" might be referring to a very different issue.

I must admit that I do scrutinise 1911 census returns very critically and had cause very recently to find another "missing children" problem. On this occasion the number of children concerned was an understatement rather than an overstatement. The householder had declared 6 children - all living. The perceived wisdom (regurgitated on several Ancestry trees) that 2 further children were born after 1911, making 8 in all. This entry also had a gap of nine years between two of the declared infants.

This time we were able to find six more births, all in the gap, and all dying within weeks. That gave this couple 14 live births. Although death certificates only gave vague, non-pathological causes of death, the pattern would fit with Kassowitz's Law of 1875.

I'm not sure I can find any such diagnosis for the Bedfords!

Cheers Alan
Leicester / Northampton: Craxford,  Claypole, Pridmore, Pollard, Tansley, Crane, Tilley
Derby: Naylor, Ball, Haywood
Buckinghamshire: Cook
London: Craxford, Lane Crauford
Tyneside: Nessworthy, Simpson
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Re: John BEDFORD (b 1856) Whittlesey - What happened to his children?
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 22 February 20 09:35 GMT (UK) »
There is an Alfred Saunders BEDFORD (MMN Coulson) born Whittlesey 3b 561 (JAS 1900)

And an Alfred BEDFORD (no Saunders) MMN Coulson born Whittlesey 3b 555 (JAS 1895)

Alan
Leicester / Northampton: Craxford,  Claypole, Pridmore, Pollard, Tansley, Crane, Tilley
Derby: Naylor, Ball, Haywood
Buckinghamshire: Cook
London: Craxford, Lane Crauford
Tyneside: Nessworthy, Simpson
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You will understand this when I tell you that I can trace my ancestry back to a protoplasmal primordial atomic globule."
  -  WS Gilbert (The Mikado)

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Re: John BEDFORD (b 1856) Whittlesey - What happened to his children?
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 February 20 07:41 GMT (UK) »
1911 census eastrea rd coates.
john bedford 1856 waggoner on farm eastrea.
fannie bedford 1858 south croxton leicester.
ernest john 1899 eastrea.
1901 eastrea,
john bedford 1858 farmer eastrea.
fanny 1860 leicester
francis a dau 1886 eastrea
ernest j 1899 eastrea.
margaret.?????????????????