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Harriett Carroll
« on: Sunday 23 February 20 09:37 GMT (UK) »
My 2 x great grandmother was born on 12/04/1881 in St Saviours London. I think her mother was also called Harriett and her father John Carroll but I can not verify this. I know she married a Arthur Albert Savage in Sussex on 17/02/1909 and in 1939 they were still together and living in Newhaven Sussex. She died on 30/10/1944 in Newhaven. I have been unable to trace any records for her between the period of her birth until 1900. On the 1911 census she is married to Arthur but has four children from a previous relationship - these children are Rose born 1900 Dorking Surrey and Lilly George and Mary all born in Battle Sussex in 1902 1905 and 1907 respectively. On the birth registrations some are listed as Carroll's and some as Mitchell. Mitchell is the name given for all of them on the census. I can find no record of her marrying a Mitchell or any record for her in the 1901 census. In the family it was said that she was from a "gypsy" family and her son George  according to gypsy tradition as the eldest son took the mother's maiden name. I would be grateful for any help in relation to gypsy records or specifically for Harriett.

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Re: Harriett Carroll
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 23 February 20 10:00 GMT (UK) »
There is a birth registration for Harriet Mary Anne Carroll, St Saviours 1877.
Mother is Mary Anne Downes. Father John Carroll.
How certain are you about her year of birth?
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Re: Harriett Carroll
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 23 February 20 10:15 GMT (UK) »
1891 - St Paul Deptford

John Carroll   30   Gen Lab born Peckham
Harriet Carroll   32   Wife born St Pancras
Harriet Carroll   9   Born St Pancras

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Harriett Carroll
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 23 February 20 10:20 GMT (UK) »
I got the birth date from the 1939 register- I am not 100% certain about anything Harriett put on official forms, she seems to use multiple names, Carroll, Mitchell Savage and possibly Farmer !


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Re: Harriett Carroll
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 23 February 20 10:49 GMT (UK) »
The 1909 marriage to Arthur notes Harriet as Hanns?

Colin
Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Harriett Carroll
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 23 February 20 11:03 GMT (UK) »
Birth Reg GRO;

CARROLL, LILY       - 
GRO Reference: 1902  D Quarter in BATTLE  Volume 02B  Page 45

CARROLL, GEORGE  HERBERT     - 
GRO Reference: 1905  M Quarter in BATTLE  Volume 02B  Page 50

No Mothers maiden name so illeg.
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Re: Harriett Carroll
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 23 February 20 11:05 GMT (UK) »
"..some are listed as Carroll's and some as Mitchell."

Can you be specific please....how is each birth registered.

"... Carroll, Mitchell Savage and possibly Farmer"   Where do you see FARMER?

Census 1911  at 2 Old School Cottage Denton  Sussex
SAVAGE Arthur     30y                                   b. West Ham Essex
SAVAGE Harriet    29y                                   b. St Pancras
SAVAGE Harriet      1y                                   b. Brighton
MITCHELL Rose     11y                                   b. Dorking Surrey
MITCHELL Lillie       9y                                   b. Battle Sussex
MITCHELL Bert       6y                                   b. Battle Sussex
MITCHELL Mary      4y                                   b. Newhaven Sussex

GRO birth
SAVAGE, Harriett Hilda  mms     FARMER 
1910  JQ     Brighton  Vol 02B  Page 178 

Ancestry  Register of births in the Workhouse St Pancras
13 Apr 1881  FARMER female  illegitimate   mother Harriett


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Re: Harriett Carroll
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 23 February 20 11:07 GMT (UK) »
CARROLL, ROSE       - 
GRO Reference: 1901  D Quarter in TICEHURST  Volume 02B  Page 109
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Re: Harriett Carroll
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 23 February 20 11:25 GMT (UK) »
I know she married a Arthur Albert Savage in Sussex on 17/02/1909 and in 1939 they were still together and living in Newhaven Sussex. She died on 30/10/1944 in Newhaven.

Perhaps you can transcribe the marriage cert for us?

Debra  :)