Thomas Smith's wife Annie

[suttontrust]

Thanks.  Not knowing the Welsh places is a handicap for me.  And the multitudes with the same surnames  

[wilcoxon]

Update - I now have the marriage certificate of Thomas Smith and Annie Evans.  Annie was living in Llandudno at the time of her marriage in 1898 and on both subsequent censuses she gives her birthplace as Portmadoc.  Her father, she says, is Humphrey Evans, mariner, deceased.  One of the witnesses is Elizabeth Jane Evans, and I've worked out that this was Annie's sister.  Their mother, Elizabeth, appears to have married Benjamin Jones after Humphrey's death.  I've got the family in a couple of censuses.  Elizabeth was born c. 1842 in Llandudno, but both daughters were born in Portmadoc.  The task now is to find Elizabeth and Humphrey as a married couple - no luck so far.

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Which census do you have , can you give more details., is  Elizabeth a widow,
do you have Humphrey in the family. When do you think Elizabeth married Benjamin Jones.
If Humphrey was a mariner he might have been at sea at the time census was taken.
When and where was Elizabeth Jane born.

[suttontrust]

If Mabel is right, then Elizabeth was married in 1861 but not with her husband, and remarried by 1871.  There are too may Humphrey Evans to choose from, since he's not on a census.  And if Elizabeth is the Eliza Griffiths of the 1860 marriage to Humphrey, I can't pin her down on the 1851.

[wilcoxon]

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4447375/4447386/111/

There is a Humphrey Evans , mate of the ship  Curlew mentioned on this page.
Bangor Petty session section.

[suttontrust]

How interesting, thank you.

[wilcoxon]

 Been doing a bit more digging.   We can`t be 100 sure that the Humphrey on the Curlew is the right one.
There are a couple of mariners,  and I feel that one is a distinct possiblility.

1871 RG10/5720/67 p 24
Benjamin Jones    31
Elizabeth Jones    30 b  Ynyscynhaiarn, Caernarfonshire,
Anne Evans    9  Ynyscynhaiarn, Caernarfonshire,
Eliza Jane Evans 7 Llanbeblig, Caernarfonshire,
Margaret Jones    2 Llanrug, Caernarfonshire,

GRO Index Births  These could be children of Elizabeth.
EVANS, ANNE mmn GRIFFITH  GRO Reference: 1863  S Quarter in CARNARVON 
EVANS, ELIZA  JANE  mmn GRIFFITH     GRO Reference: 1864  M Quarter in FESTINIOG 
JONES, MARGARET mmn GRIFFITH  GRO Reference: 1869  S Quarter in CARNARVON 
But there are more Margaret Jones  with mmn Griffiths, so can`t be sure this is the right one.

In 1861 there is - RG9/ 4536/16
Humphrey Evans.  Married  .Age: 52 b c 1809 .born: Llanfengal, Anglesey,
Mate.   Vessels . Ship name “ Stay”  Town: Bangor Quay. County/Island: Anglesey
He seems to be a bit old but could be the one in the newspapers.

Then there is this one .

Death of Humphrey?  Found by    Mabel Bagshawe
EVANS, HUMPHREY  age 24 Q3  1864 FESTINIOG  Volume 11B  Page 285

1861 Scotland Census ,  Ancestry, but   Freecen  has more details. Not found on Scotlands People ?
Humphrey Evans Married .  Age: 22  b abt 1839
 Born Wales, Merionethshire
Registration district: Crimond, Aberdeenshire Civil Parish:    Vessels
Occupation: Mate . ED:    Melbourne Trader , Schooner Slate Trade

Possibly  same one in 1851. HO107/2512/96 p 15
Humphrey Evans age12 Orphan
Lodger  born Llanfihangel, Merionethshire,
Civil Parish or Township:    Llanfihangel y Traethau

1841 HO107; Piece: 1427; Book: 15; Enumeration District: 12; Folio: 40;   
Civil Parish: Llanfihangel y Traethau Hundred: Ardudwy County/Island:    Merionethshire
Ellis Evans    35
Ruth Evans    40
Edward Evans    14
Thomas Evans    12
Evan Evans    10
Janes Evans    7
Richard Evans    4
Humphrey Evans    2
Elizabeth Evans    9

[Mabel Bagshawe]

The Humphrey Evans on a slate trading schooner Scotland on 1861 sounds very possible - would have been plenty of boats taking slate out of Porthmadog

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4447375/4447386/111/

There is a Humphrey Evans , mate of the ship  Curlew mentioned on this page.
Bangor Petty session section.

Not so sure about him - the article is from  November 1864, a few months after the potential death

[Mabel Bagshawe]

The ship mentioned on 1861, the Melbourne Trader, sailed in and out of Porthmadog on a regular basis in the 1860s according to local newspapers

[wilcoxon]

The Humphrey Evans on a slate trading schooner Scotland on 1861 sounds very possible - would have been plenty of boats taking slate out of Porthmadog

https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4447375/4447386/111/

There is a Humphrey Evans , mate of the ship  Curlew mentioned on this page.
Bangor Petty session section.

Not so sure about him - the article is from  November 1864, a few months after the potential death

Yes, I spotted that after.
The marriage in 1860 was a Civil Marriage,  Ffestiniog, North Wales BMD so it looks like another certificate will be needed to confirm fathers names.