Tracing a Relative proving elusive

[Babypink2807]

Hi

I am trying to trace a relative Born in 1841 called Joseph Gray, he lived it seems with his Grandparents, Head of the House being Henry Westerman.  Joseph appears on 1851 Census as a 10 year old boy and born in Woodhouse Carr, Leeds (its spelt Cary which I have never heard of).  I do have his marriage Certificate and he married Hannah Braham in 18th July 1867.  Joseph then appears as a visitor in 1861 with the grandparents  After that he is with his wife Hannah.  I cannot for the life of me find who is mother and father are.  As for Woodhouse Carr, the only Woodhouse is in Leeds but not called Woodhouse Carr.  Having siad that still cannot find his mother and father.  ANy ideas at all?

NameJo Gray
Age10
Estimated Birth Year abt 1841
Relation Grandson
Born Woodhouse Cary, Yorkshire,
England Civil parish Garforth
Phillimore Ecclesiastical Parish Maps13146
County/Island Yorkshire
Registration district Pontefract
Sub-registration district Kippax
Institution, or vessel 5a
Household schedule number 34
Piece2329
Folio147
Page number 8
Household Members
Henry Westerman 65
Mary Westerman 64
Sarah Westerman 36
Mary Westerman 20
Jo Gray 10

[rosie99]

Welcome to rootschat

I see from Josephs marriage that he does not name a father. 

Have you accounted for all of Henry & Mary's children.  It is possible that Joseph may be one of the son's children to an unmarried mother

[josey]

born in Woodhouse Carr, Leeds (its spelt Cary which I have never heard of). 

Doesn't actually say Leeds - just Woodhouse Cary, Yorkshire. Have you found a baptism yet?

PS welcome from me as well 

[KGarrad]

Woodhouse Carr comes under Leeds.
See: https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Leeds/more

"WOOD HOUSE CARR, (Great and Little) in the township and parish of Leeds, lower-division of Skyrack; 1 mile from Leeds."

There is no entry for Woodhouse Cary in the "Where Is It In Yorkshire" page on GenUKI:
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YRY/Where/W

[Babypink2807]

Thank you for the welcome

I am currently checking out the son James Westerman who married Charlotte Gray.  But you would think he would be called Westerman?    James Westerman is proving equally elusive as I am working his age out via his age on the census

My other option is one of the daughters but they never married anyone called Gray.

I checked out GRO site and there is no birth certificate for him was hoping I would find MMN

[Calverley Lad]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodhouse,_Leeds
 Brian

[Babypink2807]

born in Woodhouse Carr, Leeds (its spelt Cary which I have never heard of). 

Doesn't actually say Leeds - just Woodhouse Cary, Yorkshire. Have you found a baptism yet?

PS welcome from me as well 

Love the cat!

No baptism or birth certificate.  It's so difficult.

[Pennines]

This may be coincidence - but a Thomas Westerman and a Susannah Gray are on the same page of a marriage register Q/E Dec 1841, Leeds Reg Dist.

Clearly I don't know if they married each other or a different partner on the same page. I was just wondering if Joseph might be Susannah's son, prior to her marriage -- but brought up by Thomas's parents. (If of course that is a marriage between the 2).

[josey]

The parish register image on ancestry shows Thomas widower cartman son of Henry farmer married Sarah Dockray on 29 Nov 1841. Charles SHeard  married Susannah Gray same day.