Abigail Holland (Williams?)

[Philldw]

I am looking for information on Abigail Holland who married Edward Jones 1897 Pontypridd. I have the  marriage certificate. I can only find a birth record  Sept 1874 for a Abigail Williams not Holland.
Was there a previous marriage that I cannot find? Appreciate any information. Thank You David

[Jamjar]

A birth:

Mar 1870 Stoke T. 6b   251
Holland Abigail

HOLLAND, ABIGAL       - 
GRO Reference: 1870  M Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT  Volume 06B  Page 251

No maiden name, so illegitimate.

Possible in 1871: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5RP-PC3

What are the details on the marriage certificate?

As per children on 1901 and 1911 censuses, mmn is Holland, so not previously married:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X912-WRP

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWX9-GYN

JONES, JAMES mmn HOLLAND 
GRO Reference: 1898  M Quarter in PONTYFRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 620

JONES, ELIZABETH mmn HOLLAND 
GRO Reference: 1900  M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 558

JONES, EDWARD  JOHN mmn HOLLAND 
GRO Reference: 1901  S Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 687

JONES, EMMANUEL mmn HOLLAND 
GRO Reference: 1903  D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 601

JONES, DORIS mmn HOLLAND 
GRO Reference: 1906  M Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 672

JONES, WILLIAM mmn HOLLAND 
GRO Reference: 1907  D Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 653

JONES, TREVOR mmn HOLLAND 
GRO Reference: 1911  J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 668

Not on the 1911:

JONES, ABIGAIL  LOUISE mmn HOLLAND 
GRO Reference: 1913  J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 1449

JONES, VICTOR  GHENUVELT mmn HOLLAND 
GRO Reference: 1915  S Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 1388

Jamjar

[Philldw]

Thank You. The certificate states: 24 Nov 1899 2 Morgan Street Bryner Rhonda U.D
 Elizabeth  Girl Edward Jones Abigail Jones formerly Holland coalman registered 4 Jan 1900
 District Pontypridd sub district  Lantrisant

[Jamjar]

Thank You. The certificate states: 24 Nov 1899 2 Morgan Street Bryner Rhonda U.D
 Elizabeth  Girl Edward Jones Abigail Jones formerly Holland coalman registered 4 Jan 1900
 District Pontypridd sub district  Lantrisant

That’s a birth cert, not a marriage cert.

Jamjar

[Philldw]

oops, Sorry! Yes been looking at too many websites...Yes, its her daughters birth cert. That is where I got the name Holland for the mmn of mother. I do not have a marriage cert only going by the BMD record as stated.

[Philldw]

 I have applied for copy of marriage cert from GRO..will probably take a month of Sundays as I live in Gozo (Malta)! Thank you for your help. David

[MaureeninNY]

I wonder if the surname HOLLAND has undergone a few changes?

There's this birth GRO:
ALLAN, ABBAGAIL    mmn     MAGON   
 1874  J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 455

On the 1881 census perhaps as Abigail HALORAN b 1874  with parents Cornelius and Ellen in Ystradyfodwg.

Maureen

[MaureeninNY]

Meant to add that the SMITHs living with the HALORANs in 1881-daughter-Ellen:
GRO Births:
SMITH, ELLEN      mmn   HOLLAND   
 1881  J Quarter in PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 397

Maureen

[LizzieL]

I wonder if the surname HOLLAND has undergone a few changes?

There's this birth GRO:
ALLAN, ABBAGAIL    mmn     MAGON   
 1874  J Quarter in MERTHYR TYDFIL  Volume 11A  Page 455

On the 1881 census perhaps as Abigail HALORAN b 1874  with parents Cornelius and Ellen in Ystradyfodwg.

Maureen

Birth reg for the the grandchild Sarah Ann Smith - daughter of William Smith and Elizabeth Haloran

SMITH, Sarah Ann     mmn HOLLAROND 
Q1 1879   PONTYPRIDD  Volume 11A  Page 404

Looks like a lot of variations. Can't find William Smith and Elizabeth's marriage.