Rev John Maclean, minister of Killean, Kintyre born c1670?

[bagpipe]

Is anything known about the other tacksmen of Rum?

[Douglas McLean]

Replies to Diamond Sue and to Bagpipe --

1) " .  .  .  . MacLean Bristol's research paper (Tacksmen of Rum, 2004) .  .  . "  This is an incorrect citation given in From Clan to Regiment. It is Tacksmen in Rum, Nicholas Maclean-Bristol, West Highland Notes & Queries, Jan. 2005, series 3, issue 7, p. 19, which I have now acquired and read.
See below.

2) Diamond Sue writes that Rev. John McLean " .  .  .  had a daughter Ann, who married John, s/o Allan s/o Neil of Drimnacross  .  .  . "  James N.M. MacLean writes in Reward is Secondary that Rev. McLean's daughter Anne was born in 1704 and died the following year. The Antrim Parish Church baptism register gives her date of baptism as 21 Dec. 2004 with an addendum that she was buried 27 April 2005.  What is your source for stating she married?

3) Diamond Sue, what is your line of descent from Charles? I don't see it in Tacksmen in Rum.

4) Bagpipe, the article cited above includes information on several of the tacksmen families on Rum. It can be purchased on line. I don't have the website address at hand, but if you send me an e-mail I will find it.

I am interested in hearing from anyone with an interest in this family, John MacLean, 1st of Grishipol, and his descendants.

Douglas McLean
douglasleemclean at aol dot com

[Douglas McLean]

Correction --
In my last post I requested replies to an e-mail address. In compliance with forum rules, I will withdraw that and request replies by personal message if not including content of general interest.
Douglas McLean

[bagpipe]

I will look out for the tacksmen paper next time I visit a specialist library. There are so many things I want to read. Look forward to reading yours, Douglas McLean.

[Douglas McLean]

A Request For Bagpipe

You wrote several months ago:

    "Do you know anything about Rev John's siblings? I have seen a family tree showing quite a number."

Can you be more specific about the "family tree"? The genealogies of which I am aware pertaining to Rev. John McLean (b. 1652) are the 19th century MacLean clan histories, From Clan to Regiment and, most comprehensive, Reward Is Secondary.

Douglas McLean

[bagpipe]

A relevant tree can be found here clanmacleanatlantic.org/gen2.html

I do not know how accurate it is, but it may be of some use.

[diamondsue1967]

Hello Douglas and Bagpipe

Firstly apologies that I have not responded to the thread sooner - 2021 has been a heck of a year, and I have only just returned to the RootsChat site.  I must also apologise - i must have been vey tired when crafting my first email - you are absolutely correct Douglas that the article by MacLean-Bristol is WHNQ Series 3 Number 7 (Jan 2005) p19-23.

Douglas, you mention that you think Rev John MacLean who went to Antrim is more likely to the son of Lachlan 3rd of Grishipol, rather than his brother.  This interests me, and i would like to hear more.  I have based my understanding on the entry in Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae Vol 4 p62, which seems to align with Clan Gillean p402-403.  And you are completely correct - I inadvertently mixed up two Rev John MacLeans - the father of Ann (or Anna) who married John MacLean of the Grishipol family was the son of Ewen of Treshnish.

You asked about my links to the Tackmen of Rum:  I descend from Allan MacLean and Janet MacLean who emigrated to Australia in 1837 on the Brilliant. They are my 3x great grand parents.  Allan’s mother was Marion MacLean, daughter of Hugh MacLean and Flora MacLean. Marion had been married to a Charles MacLean (who i will come back to), and was widowed by the time of the emigration.  Janet was daughter of Hector MacLean and Mary MacLean - Hector was brother to Marion and therefore son of Hugh and Flora.  That makes Allan and Janet first cousins - there is a lot of endogamy in my family - i also have a third line of descent from Hugh and Flora through intermarriage.

Hugh and Flora’s families are outlined in the Tacksmen in Rum - Flora born 1745 to John MacLean and Rachel Campbell in Kinloch Scrisort, and Hugh born 1739 to John MacLean and Marion MacQueen (Sandineesher). Hugh's lineage and Hugh and Flora's descendents are listed in Clan Gillean p 409 and Marion is referenced in para 1 line 10. 

Flora’s family are outlined in Clan Gillean p395 (para 3 line 10).  On that same page, para 2 outlines the third MacLean family listed in MacLean Bristols Tacksmen in Rum paper - that of John MacLean and Mary MacLean of  Guirdal.  In an annotation from the 2005 publication by Lulu Publishers of the Clan Gillean, MacLean Sinclair had made a note against the end of that para. “Allan had a son Charles. Charles married Marion, daughter of Hugh Maclean, and had by her Allan, Hugh, and six daughters. Charles died young. His wife and children emigrated to New Zealand or Australia.”  This information accords exactly with our family structure, and so part of my research is to try to find out further information to support or disprove the annotated statement.

Footnote 12 in Tacksmen in Rum makes the connection between John MacLean of Guirdal as son of Charles, 4th son of John 2nd of Grishipol - ie Charles the Drover.  MacLean Sinclairs annotations provide some more insights - albeit confusing - into Charles the Drover - annotated against p403 para 1, line 13, is a statement that Charles married Mary, daughter of Neil MacLean of Drimnacross.  He has also annotated p412 para 1 line 3 where he references Neils youngest (?) daughter Janet to have married Charles of Gallenach - the annotation states to cross out “Gallanach” and insert “Grishipol”.   There is much to unravel here…..

Douglas, I hope your research is going well, and i look forward to reading more when you are published.   

Kind regards. Suzanne

[Douglas McLean]

Welcome back, Diamond Sue,

Thanks  for all this. Very helpful. I didn't know about the 2005 reprint of Clan Gillean with Sinclair's annotations and will order it. I've been using an earlier edition.

First, to answer your question regarding the confusion regarding the parentage of Rev. John McLean (brother or son of Lachlan, 3rd of Grishipol?) the clarification I can provide is involved and set forth in detail in a 40 page research document I've prepared on the Macleans of Auchnasaul and Grishipol which I would be happy to send as a PDF attachment to an e-mail. In short, the Ardgour MS (c. 1783, printed 1872) correctly stated he was the son of Lachlan, the position taken by Maclean-Bristol in From Clan to Regiment (Table . Seneachie (1838) using (often verbatim) Ardgour confused the lineage by inserting a brief comment on Charles the cattle drover in the wrong place in his draft. MacLean (1889) and Sinclair (1899) understandably misconstrued Seneachie and made Rev. McLean Lachlan's brother. Most subsequent historians relying on the latter two more recent and "most authoritative" clan histories perpetuate the error. I'm not sure what this forum allows regarding contact information, but if you can provide your e-mail address by some confidential means I would be happy to send the note.

As to Charles the cattle drover's wife, since Sinclair does not identify "Mary" as one of the six daughters of Neil of Drimnacross in his discussion of that family, I suspect his earlier annotation giving her as Charles' wife is a slip of the tongue and he is correct in identifying her in the later annotation as Janet.

My primary research interest at this time is in the Macleans of Auchnasaul and Grishipol who went to northern Ireland in the late 17th century. The research note I refer to above contains all I have discovered to date on these two Coll cadets, but little is known about their family members who went to Ulster, other than Rev. John McLean from the Grishipol family. The clan histories referred to above mention descendants of Ranald, son of Allan, 1st of Auchnasaul, and of John and Hugh, sons of John, 2nd of Grishipol, settling in Ireland. Would you take a look at Sinclair's annotations to see if he adds anything about the Auchnasauls and Grishipols who went to Ireland?

Kind regards,
Douglas McLean

[diamondsue1967]

Hello Douglas,

I hope your research is going well.  In your last post you mentioned you were looking into the families of the Macleans of Achnasaul.  I am wondering whether you have come across more detail about a "John MacLean of Achnasaul" who married Una, daughter of Hector Roy of Coll (Clan Gillean p375 towards the end of para 2).  Ive reviewed what i know of the Achnasaul line but cannot identify this John - he is not listed as a son in Clan Gillean for the relevant time frame.  Interestingly on p 409 MacLean Sinclair suggests that Hugh son of Hector 1st of Muck married a daughter of the laird of Coll (and annotated "Hector Roy").  Obviously, the dates are out, as Hugh was killed in the Battle of Inverkeithing in 1651 - and there is a missing generation in the Clan Gillean as the John referred to is born around the mid 1690s.  MacLean Bristol inserts a son "John" into the gap.  My working hypothesis (which needs further exploring) is that perhaps these two "Johns" are one and the same.  Either the historians mispoke, or perhaps "John" spent some time in Achnasaul after his cousins fled to Rum. Would welcome your thoughts.  S