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Re: Disappearing Aunt...
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 01 March 20 12:12 GMT (UK) »
Ah probably covering old ground but Edward Rust marriage Rosina Rebecca Collingbourne 1864.

I think maybe looking for John's in Scotland is the way to go.
I think this makes sense.. If I can dig deeper into John I might find her!

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Re: Disappearing Aunt...
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 01 March 20 14:45 GMT (UK) »
Like everyone else I'm having trouble locating Elizabeth Jones/Collingbourne/Skinner/McIntyre after 1851 census and her 1858 & 1863 marriages  ???
Elizabeth's signature slightly different on each m/c but as you mention her father's name & occ are the same

Tried starting again with the 1841 census and working through to see if anything came to light

1841 census Limehouse Piece:   701 Folio:   29 Page 8
George Collingbourne   38 occ milk man
Harriet    34
George    15
John    11
Harriett    7
Richard    5
ELIZABETH 3
Alfred    6 Mo

Elizabeth JONES  mn SHERRATT
1838  J Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 02  Page 370

Have they made a mistake with the mn of the later Collingbourne children  :-\   

Alfred COLLINGBOURNE mn JONES
1840  D Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 02  Page 427   

1851 census Piece:   1554 Folio:   219 Page    4
Geo Collingbourne 47 Badgeworth Gloucester occ milkman
Harriet    40
Rosina    7 Limehouse
Caroline    4 Limehouse
Alfred    2 Limehouse

Rosina Rebecca COLLINGBOURNE mn JONES
1844  M Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 02  Page 487

Rosina Rebecca Collingbourne married Edward RUST in 1864
her father George noted as deceased
her sister Caroline Collingbourne was one of the witnesses
   
Caroline Collingbourne born 26th Jan 1846
Baptism    15 Feb 1846 Limehouse St Anne, Tower Hamlets
Father:   George occ milkman Mother:   Harriet abode Limehouse

Caroline COLLINGBOURNE mn JONES
1846  M Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 02  Page 504

Caroline Collingbourne married age 27 on 30 Dec 1873 William Stevens
Her father George occ cow keeper
Witnesses were Alfred COLLINGBOURNE & Harriet JONES

Alfred Collingbourne born 9th June 1849
Baptism    1 Jul 1849 Limehouse St Anne, Tower Hamlets
Father:   George occ milkman Mother:   Harriet abode Limehouse

Alfred appears to have a different mn altogether on GRO indexes ???

Alfred COLLINGBOURNE mn GEORGE
1849  J Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 02  Page 499

Have you checked to see if Elizabeth Jones/Collingbourne/Skinner/McIntyre born c1838 travelled aboard
her married sister Rosina appears to have died in Australia

Rosina Rebecca RUST Age:   61 died 29 Nov 1905 Adelaide
Page Number:   12 Volume Number:   314

Edward RUST Age: 62 Died 02 Dec 1905 Adelaide
Page Number:   13 Volume Number:   314
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/162430845

Could Elizabeth Collingbourne/Skinner/McIntyre be using her JONES surname?

Elizabeth JONES 33 (1838) London, Unm
Relation:   Servant - housemaid
Civil Parish:   St George in the East
1871c Piece 539 Folio:   52 Page Number: 8
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Re: Disappearing Aunt...
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 01 March 20 14:54 GMT (UK) »
The two Elizabeth Collingbourne signatures are very different, aren't they -
spelling Elizabeth as Elizeabeth, the way of writing z, the joining of the letters isn't always similar -

I can imagine the writing of a signature declining in quality when someone didn't have to write it much over the years - but getting more elaborate??

Pay, Kent. 
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Cork(e), Kent. 
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Barwell, Rutland/Northants/Greenwich.
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Re: Disappearing Aunt...
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 01 March 20 15:14 GMT (UK) »
I think the later Collingbourne children have a mmn of Jones as Harriet Sharratt was previously married to an Edwin Jones.. So she must have used that surname as her maiden name? The George is an odd one. Must have been a typo.
It's possible that Elizabeth may have used the surname Jones at some point as this was her biological father's name?
Maybe she never married a William Skinner and the matching fathers details are a sheer coincidence.. Still curious how both she and John Mcintyre vanish. I'm not having much joy tracing him either.


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Re: Disappearing Aunt...
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 01 March 20 15:26 GMT (UK) »
Still curious how both she and John Mcintyre vanish. I'm not having much joy tracing him either.

I've had not luck either  ??? The only info. to go on is the marriage cert. where John's occupation is an Engineer and his father also named John his occ.  Inspector of Public Works - no age given

For info....this is when her married sister Rosina left UK

Rosina RUST age 31
Departure 03 Feb 1876 Plymouth
Arrival 19 Apr 1876 Port Adelaide
Ship name   Arundel Castle
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Re: Disappearing Aunt...
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 01 March 20 15:54 GMT (UK) »
Is there another Elizabeth Collingbourne with a father George to see if there were 2 if only to eliminate the first marriage?  I suspect not to be honest but worth a quick check.

There was a John in Scotland engineer who could have been his father but we don't know how old son John was do we and it would be a more common surname in Scotland anyway.   
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Re: Disappearing Aunt...
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 01 March 20 16:02 GMT (UK) »
There is a death in Sep 1911 Brentford Middlesex of an Elizabeth McIntyre age 72. 

Has she been eliminated from our enquiries.
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
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Re: Disappearing Aunt...
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 01 March 20 16:20 GMT (UK) »
There is a death in Sep 1911 Brentford Middlesex of an Elizabeth McIntyre age 72. 

Has she been eliminated from our enquiries.

Wife of William Rose McIntyre, living in Chiswick in 1911   :-\
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Re: Disappearing Aunt...
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 01 March 20 16:25 GMT (UK) »
This John is an "engineer smith" in 1861 Scotland (thinking for the father)

John Mcintyre 47 born Gronock Renfrewshire
Ann " 46 born "
Elizabeth " 5 born Edinburgh

all lodgers with a Chalmers family

Thanks Rosie that eliminates the 1911 death.
Hinchliffe - Huddersfield Wiltshire
Burroughs - Arlingham Glos
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