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Robert Evans - 1833 - Trial Transcript
« on: Wednesday 04 March 20 01:06 GMT (UK) »
G'day,

I am looking for the trial transcript for the trial of Robert Evans, held at Carmarthen Assizes.

Attached is the convict record for his arrival here in Australia.

All help greatly appreciated.
Costello, Irvine, Cahill, Fleming, Allen, Hawke, Dyball, Dawes, Moss, Carruthers

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Re: Robert Evans - 1833 - Trial Transcript
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 01:58 GMT (UK) »
"At Carmarthen Assizes, David Evans, convicted of stealing a horse from Mr. Evans, of Garth, was sentenced to transportation for life; and Robert Evans, for stealing wearing apparel from Mr. Howard, at Llandovery, to seven years' transportation ..."

Hereford Journal, Wednesday,  Mar. 13, 1833

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Re: Robert Evans - 1833 - Trial Transcript
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 02:23 GMT (UK) »
I don't have access to this paper, but it looks like there may be some info here too:

 Cardiff and Merthyr Guardian, Glamorgan, Monmouth, and Brecon Gazette , Saturday 09 March 1833 , page 4
" Robert Evans stood indicted for having burglariously entered the house of Mr. Howard, of Llandovery, and stealing threrefrom a muslin ca[?], two muslin window curtains, a pair of cloth pantaloons, a flannel petticoat, a cotton apron, five small shoes, and a hat. Thos. Thomas examined - Is workman with Mr. Howard, malster, of Llandovery. Went to his master's house early on the morning of the 10th[?] Nov., and found a man there, who asked if he could have a pint of ale; took him to be a sweetheart of one of the maids went to the stable for a light, and in returning met the prisoner in the yard, who said [?] Don't think I have anything, Went to the house and found..."

(Sorry, I can't read any more, hopefully someone can fill in the rest for you.  :) )


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Re: Robert Evans - 1833 - Trial Transcript
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 03:18 GMT (UK) »
Following on from Maddy  :D

Cardiff and Merthyr Guardian, Glamorgan, Monmouth, and Brecon Gazette 09 March 1833. page 4.

Carmarthen Spring Assizes.

On Saturday last, the Hon. Mr Justice Patteson escorted by the High Sheriff in state, and a cavalcade of gentlemen mounted, made his entry into Carmarthen to preside at the Spring Assizes...
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On Monday at eleven o'clock the business commenced, the following gentlemen having taken the oaths as County Grand Jury.

MORE to come shortly (two grand juries were sworn,  I will  read ahead to learn if any more)

Robert Evans stood indicted for having burglariously entered the house of Mr Havard of Llandovery, and stealing therefrom a muslin cap, two muslin window curtains, a pair of cloth pantaloons, a flannel petticoat, a cotton apron, five small shoes, and a hat.

Thos. Thomas examined ... Is workman with Mr Havard, maltster of Llandovery.  Went to his master's house early on the morning of the 15th Nov., and found a man there, who asked if he 'could have a pint of ale'  took him to be a sweetheart of one of the maids;  went to the stable for a light, and in returning met the prisoner in the yard, who said 'Don't think I have anything".  Went to the house and found a strange hat, and then called the maids down.  Went after prisoner, and overtook him on the old road to Trecastle; he threw down a bundle, and cried and begged to be allowed to go on; he then gave him in custody to Peter Williams, a constable.

The evidence was confirmed by Mary Williams servant to Mr Havard and Peter Williams, the constable and it was proved that the bundle contained the things stolen.

Guilty, but recommended to the consideration of the court.  Transportation for seven years.


JM notes:  I cannot tell which grand duty found him guilty, but there were only two juries.    I have read the article about David EVANS ... who was sentenced to life for borrowing a horse  ...  there is NO mention of his relationship to Robert EVANS, and of course EVANS was a popular surname in that area.   

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Re: Robert Evans - 1833 - Trial Transcript
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 03:37 GMT (UK) »
Joe,  the actual images of Convict Records for Robert EVANS are available on various family history websites, including those requiring subscriptions.  Your snip is an image of an index from a website, and is not actually the convict record   ;D and you may need to consider RChat's T & C rules re possible copyright issues and also the stickied thread here on this board:

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=156350.0

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ADD,  try this link https://convictrecords.com.au/convicts/evans/robert/8347  as it gives the primary source for the index summary.

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Re: Robert Evans - 1833 - Trial Transcript
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 03:47 GMT (UK) »
 :D  :D  he nicked FIVE small shoes ... not two pairs,  not three pairs,  ::)  ::)  but five small shoes...   ;D  ;D 

five ...  ummmm ....

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Re: Robert Evans - 1833 - Trial Transcript
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 22:24 GMT (UK) »
Although not of specific relevance to this post this is a useful sites for looking for ancestors from Carmarthen who may have had more criminal tendencies from 1844-1871

http://www.welshlegalhistory.org/carms-felons-register.php

There are also various useful links here

https://ourcriminalancestors.org/source-guide-for-tracing-your-transported-convict-ancestorss/

And you can search Welsh Newspapers on-line which may have details of the offence/trial or just information on your Welsh ancestors in general

https://newspapers.library.wales/



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Re: Robert Evans - 1833 - Trial Transcript
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 March 20 23:30 GMT (UK) »
Although not of specific relevance to this post this is a useful sites for looking for ancestors from Carmarthen who may have had more criminal tendencies from 1844-1871

http://www.welshlegalhistory.org/carms-felons-register.php

There are also various useful links here

https://ourcriminalancestors.org/source-guide-for-tracing-your-transported-convict-ancestorss/

And you can search Welsh Newspapers on-line which may have details of the offence/trial or just information on your Welsh ancestors in general

https://newspapers.library.wales/

Thanks for sharing those links.   Transportation of convicted persons to New South Wales had effectively ceased by 1840, but continued to Tasmania until early 1850s.   Our OP's chap arrived in NSW in 1834.

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