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Thomas Stephenson Muir
« on: Thursday 05 March 20 00:46 GMT (UK) »
Hello - I am trying to locate any records which record the parents of a Thomas Stephenson Muir who died in Winona Minnesota October 1886. Born in Glasgow in 1818. Married a Mary Mitchell on 23 March 1848 and emigrated to the US July 1849. The problem is he is being added as a child to my 3rd times Great Grandmother and Grandfather Catherine Spence and John Muir. I have advised the user that they did have a child Thomas Muir in 1818 but he lived and died in Scotland I have his marriage certificate stating his parents and his death certificate. She says that she obtained the information from Ancestry Trees but I advised without confirmed sources its very unlikely that Catherine would have given birth to 2 sons both called Thomas in different places of Scotland in the same year. i am trying to help her find the correct parents. I did a quick bit of research and found a Mary Mitchell marrying a Thomas Stevenson on 20 March 1849 not 1848 but unfortunately prior to 1855 there were no official records required so this could be coincidental. I suspect he may have changed his name when he emigrated. Sometimes people changed their names so that they could not be traced if they had been in a bit of trouble. I found one census in 1870 recorded as Thomas Muir, no middle name he was a Cooper by trade. I am assuming that his parents would be recorded on a naturalisation record or his death certificate but I couldn't find either record on Family Search. Can anyone assist please? Many thanks
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Re: Thomas Stephenson Muir
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 05 March 20 01:22 GMT (UK) »
Your’s:

MUIR THOMAS parents JOHN MUIR/CATHARINE SPENCE FR262 (FR262) 27/06/1818 660/ 20 36 Wiston and Roberton.

I do not see a marriage between a Thomas Muir and Mary Mitchell, either.

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Re: Thomas Stephenson Muir
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 05 March 20 01:33 GMT (UK) »
Background on the US couple: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88157135/george-c-muir

“Positive in her convictions, and like a true representative of the Scottish race”


Maybe if it is the case, maybe she followed the naming pattern for the children, who were:

Archibald
Anna J
Jessie Elizabeth
Alexander M
William John
George C

So, folks of Thomas should be Archibald and Jessie, Mary’s Anna and Alexander. Odd, no Thomas or Mary.

Knowing the middle names of the above may be useful.

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Re: Thomas Stephenson Muir
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 05 March 20 09:55 GMT (UK) »
hello Jamjar - Thank you for your comments but the Thomas Muir you advise parents as Catherine and John is my relative born and died in Scotland his wife was Agnes Cuthbert married in 1861 however the user I refer to has another Thomas Stephenson Muir which she is adding to my tree who was born in Glasgow and not Wiston. I know he is not the child of Catherine or John for a number of reasons this is why I am trying to locate any US documents that would show his parentage to help the user. Does anyone have access to a death certificate or naturalisation record or any other documentation to assist please. I can see one US Census in 1870 where he is listed as a Cooper with his wife Mary. If he married in Scotland before 1855 its likely there is no record of the marriage in Scotland. kind regards
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Re: Thomas Stephenson Muir
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 05 March 20 11:32 GMT (UK) »
Naturalization records for that time frame would not included parents names. Statewide registration started for births started in 1900 and deaths in 1908. General compliance by 1915.

The best option might be if you could locate an obituary in newspapers of 1886, provided his family knew those details.

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Winona_County,_Minnesota_Genealogy

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Re: Thomas Stephenson Muir
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 05 March 20 11:35 GMT (UK) »
Possible - Thomas, Mary with Archibald appear on the 1850 Milwaukee Ward 2, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Birth year would be 1825 but not unusual for those to be incorrect.

Thomas Muir 25 Mary Muir   20
Archibald Muir 0

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4DK-TVZ

Would the first born son - Archibald be a small clue as to the father of Thomas  ??? Perhaps a long shot but you never know with naming patterns.

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Re: Thomas Stephenson Muir
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 05 March 20 11:39 GMT (UK) »
I am sure many of us have found errors in other trees on Ancestry and sadly there will always be people who just blindly copy things without checking before adding it to their tree. Personally I have stopped pointing errors out because you rarely get a response even though I have offered to prove it.

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Re: Thomas Stephenson Muir
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 05 March 20 11:41 GMT (UK) »
Background info - Same family 1855 and  1860 census New Berlin, Waukesha, Wisconsin.  ??? Born 1822 Scotland.

Thomas Mine   38 Mary Mine   28
Archiabald Mine   10 Ann Mine   8 Jennette Mine   6

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D83S-HF7?i=57&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AMMM5-NQH

Names match the 1870 census Pewaukee, Waukesha, Wisconsin.

and 1880 census Winona, Minnesota.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MZ91-4YW


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MNS6-DFF

Sorry these were added previously................. :-\

FIND A GRAVE with bio/obit

Mary Mitchell Muir - 1832 - 1900

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88138290/mary-muir

Thomas Stephenson Muir 1818 - 1886

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/88112717/thomas-stephenson-muir


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Re: Thomas Stephenson Muir
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 05 March 20 12:07 GMT (UK) »
No date on this record - U.S. and International Marriage Records, 1560-1900 - Thomas Muir - 1818
Spouse Name:   Mary Mitchell - Spouse Birth Year 1832
Marriage State of WI

New York Passenger list shows them both on the Barque Mary Morris - 24 July 1849 - Thomas born 1825 - Mary 20 years-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:27P4-M25

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