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Hards in Hatfield Area
« on: Sunday 08 March 20 22:33 GMT (UK) »
Can anyone check for a marriage of a Thomas Hards to a Mary sometime between the 1650s and 1664 in the Hartfield or Withyham areas. Thomas was born in Hartfield in February 1635/36 and was the son of Edmund Hards.

Also can anyone check for either a christening of Edmund Hards sometime around the 1590s or 1600s, or a marriage for Edmund Hards in the Hartfield area before 1627? His first child [Philip] was christened in May 1627.

Many thanks for any ideas or suggestions.

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Re: Hards in Hatfield Area
« Reply #1 on: Monday 09 March 20 07:58 GMT (UK) »
Hello Matt

Lewis Marriage Licence
24 Sept 1624

Edmund Hards,Woollen Draper from Hartfield
Elizabeth Woodgate,SP  from Speldhurst, Kent

There is no marriage from Thomas that early on SMI

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Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know

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Re: Hards in Hatfield Area
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 10 March 20 01:53 GMT (UK) »
Hello Matt

Lewis Marriage Licence
24 Sept 1624

Edmund Hards,Woollen Draper from Hartfield
Elizabeth Woodgate,SP  from Speldhurst, Kent

There is no marriage from Thomas that early on SMI

omega

Hi omega

Thanks that's brilliant.
Matt


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Re: Hards in Hatfield Area
« Reply #3 on: Friday 13 March 20 20:21 GMT (UK) »
Hello Matt

Lewis Marriage Licence
24 Sept 1624

Edmund Hards,Woollen Draper from Hartfield
Elizabeth Woodgate,SP  from Speldhurst, Kent

There is no marriage from Thomas that early on SMI

omega

Hi omega

Thanks again for the info on Edmund, I've now found what looks like the christening of Elizabeth Woodgate in the parish of Penshurst (just 2 miles from Speldhurst).

I've spotted something which looks odd with the date though. The Licence date is given as 24 September 1624 but the date of the marriage is down as 23 September 1624 on Findmypast. Do you think both should be 24 September?

Btw is there any sign of a marriage for Thomas Hards/Hardes to a Mary between 1660 and 1670? His first child was christened in 1663/64 at Withyham so the marriage may have taken there.

Many thanks again for the info on Edmund.
Matt

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Re: Hards in Hatfield Area
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 14 March 20 14:40 GMT (UK) »
Hello Matt

The 1st marriage for a Thomas on SMI is 1700.

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Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know

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Re: Hards in Hatfield Area
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 15 March 20 01:05 GMT (UK) »
Hello Matt

The 1st marriage for a Thomas on SMI is 1700.

omega

Hi

Many thanks.
Matt

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Re: Hards in Hatfield Area
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 15 March 20 09:29 GMT (UK) »
????
marriage,11.11.1684 thomas hards=mary laurance, at godstone st nickolas, surrey.
bapts 10.5.1689 thomas hards, at edburton sussex, son william/margaret.
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Re: Hards in Hatfield Area
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 15 March 20 09:45 GMT (UK) »
SMI   Sussex Marriage Index
Pembrokeshire
James,Gibby,David/Davies,Evan/s,Edward,Thomas,Griffith,Brown,Richards,Phillipps
Carmarthenshire
Thomas,Wilkin,James
Glamorganshire
James
Husbands side
Sussex,Mitchell,White,Hew/Hugh,Peter/s,Lower,Goring,Skinner,Cavey,Padgham,Brann,Graves,Hards,Easton,Moon,Gibb/s,Shepherd
Kent,Curties,Harris/Cleverly
Buckinhamshire
Shephard,Tuck,Philips

Scotland,Riddle

Todd,could be Old Windsor or somewhere I Lincolnshire,John Todd didn't seem to know

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Re: Hards in Hatfield Area
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 15 March 20 11:35 GMT (UK) »
Link to Lewes Marriage Licence Register, Hards + Woodgate, 24 Sep 1624, here
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D1GQ-TBJ?cat=604174

And the main bits transcribed here :)
https://archive.org/details/calendarofsussex01chicuoft/page/144/mode/2up

BT for Withyham does indeed say the marriage was on the 23 Sep (Edmund is Edward on this)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DTS3-NC9?i=121&cat=586259

His first child was christened in 1663/64 at Withyham so the marriage may have taken there.

Matt, bear in mind that the Withyham parish registers only seem to survive back to 1663 (some say 1661, a few baptisms for that year are recorded)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XCQ3-B36?i=6&cat=244587

There is the usual gap in the BT's as well, so if the marriage of Thomas and Mary was at Withyham it may be lost. I guess there might also be a possibility of one or two earlier baptisms there?
John