Hards in Hatfield Area

[jonw65]

Hi Matt
I agree that the Elizabeth baptized in Penshurst in 1598 is the likeliest candidate. There do appear to be links between the Woodgates there and those in Withyham.

I see that with Hartfield, where the Hardes were, we are also dependent on BT's for the period in question! Looking at your list (could Margaret in the will be the eldest child, born sometime before Philip?)
Philip seems to have been buried in May 1627, so just a few days after he was baptized.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBRQ-QKB

Elizabeth 1630, a possible burial in 1634 (so there must have been another one, if this is the family in William Woodgate's will)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J8D4-2XW

In between is an Edmund, bap 23 Dec 1632 (what happened to him?)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBRQ-792

There is a Robert, bap 19 May 1639
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBRQ-QHR

So if Elizabeth is about 41 years old then, she just might have had a couple more children, James and a second Elizabeth? Young Edmund might have died?

Margarett, John, William, Thomas, Robert, James, and Elizabeth.

I tend to think, when they list children like that in a will, they usually do it by age.

Do we presume that Edmund's wife Elizabeth also must have died when that will was written?
John

[MattD30]

Hi Matt
I agree that the Elizabeth baptized in Penshurst in 1598 is the likeliest candidate. There do appear to be links between the Woodgates there and those in Withyham.

I see that with Hartfield, where the Hardes were, we are also dependent on BT's for the period in question! Looking at your list (could Margaret in the will be the eldest child, born sometime before Philip?)
Philip seems to have been buried in May 1627, so just a few days after he was baptized.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBRQ-QKB

Elizabeth 1630, a possible burial in 1634 (so there must have been another one, if this is the family in William Woodgate's will)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J8D4-2XW

In between is an Edmund, bap 23 Dec 1632 (what happened to him?)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBRQ-792

There is a Robert, bap 19 May 1639
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DBRQ-QHR

So if Elizabeth is about 41 years old then, she just might have had a couple more children, James and a second Elizabeth? Young Edmund might have died?

Margarett, John, William, Thomas, Robert, James, and Elizabeth.

I tend to think, when they list children like that in a will, they usually do it by age.

Do we presume that Edmund's wife Elizabeth also must have died when that will was written?
John

Hi John

Just a quick reply here as I'm in a coffee shop having lunch before work. I have downloaded a copy of the will of William Woodgate and I have also found another one for a William Woodgate of Withyham who died in 1623. I've downloaded that one as well in case of a link.

I've now found some more info which which indicates that there is definitely a link between the Woodgates found in Penshurst, and those in Withyham, and the Hardes found in Hartfield and Withyham.

When Edmund and Elizabeth were married in 1624 [at Withyham] one of the surities of "Robert Saxpes of Hartfield, gent".

There is also a marriage in 1608 [again by licence] for a William Woodgate of Withiam, and "Elizabeth Saxpes of Speldherst, co Kent, widow"

Given that Speldherst is literally next to Penshurst I wonder if Elizabeth was from that area, and was Robert Saxpes her brother in law [ie her husband's brother]. Could this Elizabeth be a Woodgate? This William appears to be the one who died in 1624 [as he mentions his wife Elizabeth in the will]. Could this William be an uncle of the William you found? Could he be an uncle of the Elizabeth who married Robert Hardes?

I'll give the wills a look through today and I will be in touch at some point later on.

Best Wishes
Matt

[MattD30]

Hi

I'm posting this as an update here rather than starting a new thread. I recently came across the 1649 Will of William Woodgate of Withyham and it's confirmed most of what we previously thought on here but also thrown up a few questions.

In his will William mentions the following people:

Edmond Hards - his brother in law
Elizabeth Hards - Edmond's wife and Williams's sister

Margaret Hards, John Hards, William Hards, Thomas Hards, Robert Hards, James Hards, Elizabeth Hards, Richard Hards - all described as his nieces or nephews and children of Edmond.

Benjamin Jessop - his brother in law

Anne Woodgate - his wife

John Woodgate and Thomas Woodgate - his brothers

He also mentions "Edward Frye's children, Edward and Elizabeth, which he had by my sister" and also "John and Robert sons of Robert Saxpes which he had by my sister" and an aunt whose name may be Alice Burges [there is a marriage in 1605 for Alice Woodgate and Robert Burges in Buxted].

This William is clearly the brother of Elizabeth who married Edmond Hards as so many bits of info add up. I have the christenings for John Hards, William Hards, Thomas Hards, and Elizabeth Hards but not Margaret, Robert, James or Edmund jnr.

Also I wonder who Benjamin Jessop was? So far I can't find a Woodgate/Jessop marriage but I have spotted a possible link. There is a marriage licence entry in 1624 for William Woodgate of "Withiham" and Mary Rogers [of the same place] and one of the sureties named in it is a Joseph Jessop.

The other puzzle is who is the aunt Alice mentioned?

I've also now managed to get copies of a number of Woodgate wills ranging in date from 1580 to 1630 and I'm slowly building up a picture of them. There seems to possibly be a link with East Grinstead as well.

Off to look through the 1623 will of William Woodgate next so more news later.

Matt