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John Thomas of Caepontpren
« on: Thursday 19 March 20 21:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi

On the off chance I wondered if anyone had come across John Thomas of Caepontpren before. I have little on him except that he is listed as a beneficiary and nephew of John Treharne of Glynsylen in John's will from 1825. Therefore presumably a son of Unknown Treharne (John's sister) and an Unknown Thomas. More info on him might help resolve family relationships

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Re: John Thomas of Caepontpren
« Reply #1 on: Friday 20 March 20 13:32 GMT (UK) »
Hello
All i can see is an 1871 census for Pont Yates (which is near there)

Elizabeth Thomas 92 widow  Handley Carmarthanshire
son John Thomas 63 carpenter LLangendurn Carmarthanshire

Sorry
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Re: John Thomas of Caepontpren
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 March 20 17:50 GMT (UK) »
It would seem the name John Thomas was common in that area:

1841 Census: Van . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . M . 79 . Carmarthenshire
Jane Thomas . F . 76 . Carmarthenshire
Thomas Davies . M . 15 . Carmarthenshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 1385/6
Digital Folder: 101721354 . Image: 00216

1851 Census: Llety R Drew . Llangendeirne Gwempa Hamlet, Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . Head . M . 89 . Llandilofawr
John Thomas . Son . M . 43 (Est 1808) . Unmarried . Llangendeirne . Greenwich Pentioner
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 2472 / 199
GS Film: 101796624 . Digital Folder: 101796624 . Image: 00357

1841 Census: Lyrffynnon . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . M . 45 . Carmarthenshire
Margt Thomas . F . 45 . Carmarthenshire
Esther Thomas . F . 15 . Carmarthenshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 1385/6
Digital Folder: 101721354 . Image: 00266

Strange record, no information or reference, but Family Search says it is in Llangendeirne.
John Thomas . M . 55 . Carmarthenshire
Margt Thomas . F . 55 . Carmarthenshire
Thos Davies . M . 25 . Carmarthenshire
Charles Jones..M.20.Carmarthenshire
Anne Thomas..F.40.Carmarthenshire
Mary Davies..F.15.Carmarthenshire

1841 Census: Bankyr Furnace . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . M . 30 . Carmarthenshire
Bella Thomas . F . 25 . Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . M . 3 . Carmarthenshire
David Thomas . M . 1 . Carmarthenshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 1385/18
Digital Folder: 101721354 . Image: 00202

1841 Census: Minke Village . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . M . 78 . Carmarthenshire
Mary Thomas . F . 65 . Carmarthenshire
Margaret Thomas . F . 25 . Carmarthenshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 1385/16
Digital Folder: 101721354 . Image: 00201

1841 Census: Dyffryn . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
Robert Rees . M . 29 . Carmarthenshire
Margt Rees . F . 29 . Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . M . 35 . Carmarthenshire
Mary Thomas . F . 30 . Carmarthenshire
Mary Thomas . F . 14 . Carmarthenshire
Wm Thomas . M . 9 . Carmarthenshire
Anne Thomas . F . 6 . Carmarthenshire
Margt Thomas . F . 3 . Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . F . 0 . Carmarthenshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 1385/5
Digital Folder: 101721354 . Image: 00190

1841: Census: Blaenbryn . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . M . 45 . Carmarthenshire
Anne Thomas . F . 50 . Carmarthenshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 1385/9
Digital Folder Number: 101721354 . Image Number: 00194

1861 Census: Blaen Y Bryn . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . Head . M . Widowed . 69 . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire . Shoemaker
Lydia Thomas . Granddaughter . F . 20 . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
RG09 . Piece/Folio: 4136 / 4
GS Film: 101819984 . Digital Folder: 101819984 . Image: 00007

1841 Census: Carraway . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
David Thomas . M . 75 . Carmarthenshire
Anne Thomas . F . 50 . Carmarthenshire
Mary Thomas . F . 52 . Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . M . 22
Charles Stone . M . 30 . Carmarthenshire
Jane Stone . F . 40 . Carmarthenshire
John Stone . M . 10 . Carmarthenshire
Anne Stone . F . 8 . Carmarthenshire
Mary Stone . F . 6 . Carmarthenshire
Hannah Stone . F . 4 . Carmarthenshire
Margaret Stone . F . 2 . Carmarthenshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 1385/20
Digital Folder: 101721354 . Image: 00205

1861 Census: Tyr Berllan . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
Margaret Thomas . Head . F . 63 . Llanelly, Carmarthenshire
John Thomas . M . 51 . Llanelly, Carmarthenshire . Carpenter
RG09 . Piece/Folio: 4136 / 10
GS Film: 101819984 . Digital Folder: 101819984 . Image: 00019


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Re: John Thomas of Caepontpren
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 March 20 21:37 GMT (UK) »
Thank you for collating this info, very much appreciated.

John Thomas of Van is interesting, as a possible son of John, William, also has associations with this address. Williamís addresses were described Van, Plasbach and Plasbach Van Issa. There are also family associations with Minke as Williamís brother John lived at Minke Mawr

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Re: John Thomas of Caepontpren
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 March 20 22:29 GMT (UK) »
It is difficult to know where John Thomas was married, even born, as Pontyates is associated with Llangendeirne/Llangyndeyrn. It is a very large area. On Genuki, the only Anglican/Church of Wales offered for Pontyates is St Cyndeyrn, Llangyndeyrn. Looking around 1800, there are only two options in Pontyates, two in Pontyberem and then Crwbin, Llangyndeyrn. There are plenty of baptisms, but no marriages for John Thomas.

I did notice Van and Minke thinking there could be a link.

Possibly related, you could also consider:
Marriage Banns: Phillip Thomas . Sarah Treharne
19 Nov 1826 . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
Digital Folder Number: 004182273

Marriage: Phillip Thomas . Sarah Treharne
15 Dec 1826 . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
Digital Folder Number: 004182317

Marriage Banns: David Thomas . Mary Treharn
08 Dec 1805 . Llangendeirne, Carmarthenshire
Digital Folder Number: 004182311

1851 Census: Llangendeirne Gwempa Hamlet, Carmarthenshire
Phillip Thomas . Head . M . 50 . Llangendeirne . Farmer
Sarah . Wife . F . 51 . Llangendeirne
Ester Thomas . Daughter . F . 23 . Unmarried . Llangendeirne
David . Son . M . 15 . Llangendeirne
Sarah . Daughter . F . 12 . Llangendeirne
Mary . Daughter . F . 10 . Llangendeirne
John Job . Lodger . M . 29 . Kidwelly
Daniel Davies . Lodger . M . 47 . Pentre, Cardiganshire
Enoch Davies . Lodger . M . 18 . Llandefeilog, Cardiganshire
HO107 . Piece/Folio: 2472 / 202
GS Film: 101796624 . Digital Folder: 101796624 . Image: 00363