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Initials after a signature?!
« on: Saturday 21 March 20 00:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi team

I've got a Victorian MC from 1911.  The groom's signature looks like its reads F.E.E. or F.C.E. after it.  His occupation reads as carpenter.

I think I have seen a thread about this before but I cant locate it.

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ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Initials after a signature?!
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 21 March 20 02:42 GMT (UK) »
Hard to suggest anything without an image snip or name.
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Re: Initials after a signature?!
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 21 March 20 04:46 GMT (UK) »
I think the letters are actually F.E.C.
Given that his father is a vicar verger I would suggest Free Episcopal Church as the most likely.
The only other possibility I can see is Fellow of Engineers Canada, although how a carpenter in Australia would qualify for this I cannot fathom.
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Re: Initials after a signature?!
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 21 March 20 04:48 GMT (UK) »
Not much use with the initials but his occupation in Electoral roll entries, 1912 - 1916 is given as 'cabman'.  His wife doesn't appear on the rolls with him but perhaps it wasn't compulsory for women to enrol?

Is it his death in 1916?  Parents seem to be correct.

Victoria 1916 #11497
Jno Jermiah Mccarthy, 37
Death Place:   West Melbourne, Victoria
Father's name:   Mccarthy Jno
Mother's name:   Cath Mccarthy

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Re: Initials after a signature?!
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 21 March 20 05:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi

I can't work it our either...  St. Paul's is Church of England so I'm not sure those options are it, but thanks.

Judith, this family confused me for years until recently.... actually it still does!  The death you found is NOT him.  My John died in 1921.  This 1911 MC states he was a widower since Jan 1894 with one deceased child so the death you found is not his son either.  The only 1894 death in Victoria I can see that fits is for Annie McCARTHY nee THORPE and there were at least 3 children.

Many thanks,

Bitzar.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Initials after a signature?!
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 21 March 20 05:24 GMT (UK) »
Very odd! 

Do you know - I think these initials are from the name of the bride Florence Emma Chapman.

Where was the wedding?  Is his father the verger of St Paul's cathedral? 

Judith

Edit to add - and I suspect now that isn't him in the electoral rolls living near Flagstaff garden.
DYER - Wilts, London, Somerset, MIDLANE - Hants, Wilts, SONE - Hants, WRIGHT - London, Hants, SEAGER - Deptford, DWYER, FERGUSON - Victoria, MASON - Woodford Vic, BALLARD - South Wales, GOULDBY - Lowestoft
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Re: Initials after a signature?!
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 21 March 20 05:34 GMT (UK) »
Looks to me like Florence has altered the spelling of her first name Florence the [r]and then she initialed it to verified it was her signature.

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Re: Initials after a signature?!
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 21 March 20 05:41 GMT (UK) »
Judith

My Oh My, I think you're correct.  That's so weird though.... I've never seen that!

The marriage took place at a Methodist Parsonage in Malvern.  The groom's father was deceased but had been Verger at the OLD St. Paul's Melbourne prior to it being demolished for the present church.  I've been able to trace the McCarthy's having this info as they liked to spout it in death and memorial announcements!

Judith, I know you're NSW centric but do you have any experience in Foster care in Victoria about 100 years ago.  Aunty Emma, the bride, went on to foster 5 children. 

Bitzar.
ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England

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Re: Initials after a signature?!
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 21 March 20 05:43 GMT (UK) »
suzyvan

Looking at it now, it seems that's exactly what happened doesn't it!  ::)

Bitzar.

ROBERTS / ROBERT / ROBERTSON (Paternal) - Dunbartonshire/Stirlingshire, Scotland
NEWEY - Leicestershire, England
FITZGERALD - Co. Cork - Ireland
HOWLETT - Suffolk, England
PHILMORE - Wiltshire, England
CHAPMAN - Cornwall - England
NICHOLLS - Cornwall - England
SHAW - Nottinghamshire, England
PRITCHARD - Salop, England
ROBERTS (Maternal) - Surrey, England