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Re: Zibiah Evans born Hereford
« Reply #36 on: Friday 27 March 20 20:29 GMT (UK) »
don't know if you have Samson Lee's marriage

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NV4R-F9S

The register is available on FindMyPast, the marriage was by licence and consent was given by Elderifay's father, Edward Bucklin so she was under 21. She was of Berkswell. Elijah Lee was one of the witnesses.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Zibiah Evans born Hereford
« Reply #37 on: Friday 27 March 20 22:24 GMT (UK) »
and the baptism of the daughter who becomes the mother of Daniel?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1T8-D7V
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Zibiah Evans born Hereford
« Reply #38 on: Saturday 28 March 20 08:46 GMT (UK) »
A name that started with a Z, which was felt should be an L and is now back with a Z. And Elmley Castle is in Worcestershire, not Herefordshire. If Zubilee Lee is the mother, which it now seems she is, Daniel gave a wrong age, even date of birth all his life, albeit only a year out. That is not surprising. When the virus lock-down is over, I will get his birth certificate. Without the help of Rootschat members I would never have reached this point. Thanks.

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Re: Zibiah Evans born Hereford
« Reply #39 on: Saturday 28 March 20 09:03 GMT (UK) »
You can get a PDF copy, online, for £7 from the GRO website?
Why wait! ;D
www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

You will need to register, but searches are free.
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Re: Zibiah Evans born Hereford
« Reply #40 on: Saturday 28 March 20 10:31 GMT (UK) »
I am registered and have bought plenty of certificates, but there is a coronavirus message on the GRO, that unless necessary, to postpone contacting them. I assume they are functioning with fewer staff, and I do not feel my request is important enough, so waiting is fine and I would prefer a paper version, though have a good idea of what it will contain.

Until yesterday, I was only aware of Daniel and his father being Edwin from his first marriage certificate (the second marriage and the first I saw, he was Edward). The census record with Zabiah from Herefordshire I knew was them from Perrin B Williams. That is why I posted my question about Zabiah. The twists and turns have been fascinating and I would never have reached this point without the hard work of Rootschat members. I had a hunch their lineage would find Williams and Boswell, so Lee was a surprise, but understandable.

Now I know Daniel was not an only child, I will look for other birth registrations. Why would he be the only one? Another question, is the link between Edwin and Perrin B Williams, in saying he is the nephew, but they will not be on the Herefordshire board. All of this stemmed from my great-grandmother remarrying Daniel Evans, and his son Aran marrying her daughter, also a Martha-Jane.

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Re: Zibiah Evans born Hereford
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 28 March 20 13:28 GMT (UK) »
the baptism was in Worcestershire, but she may have been born in Herefordshire.

I've mentioned other birth registrations, mmn Lee
Delinda Elizabeth Evans march qtr 1872 Llanelly vol 11a pg 687 
Eurenia Evans sept qtr 1866 Presteigne vol 11b pg 162

I think there is Boswell in their line. Possible marriage for Elderifay's father, Edward Buckland/Bucklin to Lucy Boswell 31 Oct 1815 at Knowle, Warwickshire by licence. Edward is noted as of Charlbury, Oxfordshire. One of the witnesses was Johanna Boswell. His death was registered aged 84 june qtr 1873 at Tewkesbury.

Baptism for Elder Riffee 18 Aug 1816 at Eccles, Lancashire, the record also mentions Stratford upon Avon.( This may be misindexed by FamilySearch as it appears under the batch number for Stratford.)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLMH-WVT
other children to the couple
Margaret baptised 5 July 1829 at Upton Warren, Worcs
Rosanna bp 10 July 1822, Tredington Warwickshire
Job bp 6 June 1819 at Pinvin, Worcs

Perrin Brooks is the nephew of Edwin's wife as his mother was Gravalina Lee.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Zibiah Evans born Hereford
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 28 March 20 14:35 GMT (UK) »
I had thought the connection to Perrin B was through Daniel’s wife as she was Catherine Ann Boswell mmn Williams, but it makes sense that both could be connected and not very distant.

Birth Certificate: Catherine Ann Boswell . 3 Jul 1872 . Pelican Inn, Strand, Swansea . Father: William Boswell . General Labourer . Mother: Ellin Boswell formerly Williams . Registered by Ellin Boswell . Mother . Pelican Inn, Strand, Swansea . 7 Aug 1872

Marriage Certificate: 14 Aug 1899 . Register Office . District of Swansea
Daniel Evans . 28 years . Batchelor . Licensed Hawker . Travelling Van, Dyfatty Street, Swansea . Father: Edwin Evans . Basket Maker (Master) . Catherine Boswell otherwise Catherine Ann Boswell . 26 years . Spinster . Licensed Hawker . Travelling Van, Dyfatty Street, Swansea . Father: William Boswell . Showman . Witnesses: Edwin Evans . Delinda Elizabeth Tracy

As for born in Herefordshire and baptised in Worcestershire, it is something I have mentioned before, in having difficulty tracing them, between birth, registration (if it took place) and baptism, then did not think about it.

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Re: Zibiah Evans born Hereford
« Reply #43 on: Saturday 28 March 20 14:38 GMT (UK) »
I believe this is Cartherine Ann:
1881 Census: Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire
Richard Williams . Head . M . 59 . Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire
Eliziarbeth Williams . Wife . F . 61 . Talyllyn, Merionethshire
Catherine Ann Boswell . Grand Daughter . F . 8 . Carmarthen . Scholar
RG11 . Piece/Folio: 5477/43

And the same couple tem years earlier:
1871 Census: Machynlleth, Montgomeryshire
Richard Williams . Head . M . 50  .Machynlleth . Stone Cutter
Elizabeth Williams . Wife . F . 53 . Talyllyn, Merionethshire
Richard Boswell . Grandson . M . 9 . Machynlleth
David Boswell . Grandson . M . 7 . Machynlleth
William Boswell . Grandson . M . 5 . Machynlleth
GS Film: 000892467 . Digital Folder: 004412512 . Image: 00103
Affiliate Image Identifier: GBC/1871/5601/0100

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Re: Zibiah Evans born Hereford
« Reply #44 on: Saturday 28 March 20 19:13 GMT (UK) »
this could be the family in 1901, there's a son matching the 5 year old William from your 1871 entry

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSMS-XNK

birth regs
Edith Boswell dec qtr 1879 Newtown vol 11b pg 174 mmn Williams - marriage reg Neath 1902 to Richard Charles Buss
Caroline Jane march qtr 1883 Newtown vol 11b pg 185 mmn Williams - married Frederick Hill in 1916

There's a school admission 1 Dec 1880 in Merthyr Tydfil for a Cath. Ann Boswell born 2 July 1872 and sister Elizabeth born 14 Jan 1870 daughters of William, collier, of 27 Bethel St. Both born Llanidloes according to admission.

An altercation!
https://newspapers.library.wales/view/4239746/4239751/47/
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb