Struggling to read will of 1625

[Arvanitakis]

Dear all,

A big ask I know but wonder if anyone could help me to read this will/extract salient points...I'm looking particularly for mention of a Mary.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01p96/

Thank you,
A

[horselydown86]

I have extracted the very basics from the will as follows.  I'm afraid it would take about two hours work just to extract all the names and even more time to do a decent summary.  Any further information you can provide about what you seek in the will would be useful.

Will written 19 August 1625.

Testator's sister Margarett v(er)ch Rees.

Executors are John ap [?]* ap Rees and [?]* ap ap John. 

Overseer is ffulk Morgan.  He is described as the testator's nephew elsewhere in the will.

Several other nieces and nephews are named.

There's a Mary v(er)ch howell in the list of debts owed on page 2 (she owes 8 shillings).


*   This name appears quite few times.  It start with Je-, mostly ends with e and is contracted probably by the omission of (at least) an a.

It's the middle name in the attachment.  Can any Welsh experts identify this name?

[Arvanitakis]

Thank you for this it is very helpful.

I think the name is maybe John ap Ieuan ap Rees?

To give some more context, I am trying to see if I can fit this will into a family I am researching. I saw on the first page (about middle) reference to an Elizabeth wife to Thomas Rowland. I wonder if you are able to see what relationship this Elizabeth is to John ap Rees ap Howell?

Thank you again - I am finding this so difficult to read, can only spot the odd word in it!

A

[horselydown86]

To give some more context, I am trying to see if I can fit this will into a family I am researching. I saw on the first page (about middle) reference to an Elizabeth wife to Thomas Rowland. I wonder if you are able to see what relationship this Elizabeth is to John ap Rees ap Howell?

Some of the words at the right margin aren't completely clear but I'm fairly confident that it is:

                                                        ...Item I geve & bequeath unto my neece

Elyabeth the weif of Thomas Rowland one bond w(hi)^ch I have uppon Hugh Jones

& his suerties of the sume of neyne poundes xij^s or theraboutes due at [?]

peters daie next & one other bond wherin Thomas ap [? - same name as queried above] & his suerties

stand bounden unto me in the sume of sixe poundes...

[horselydown86]

I think the name is maybe John ap Ieuan ap Rees?

It could be that or something similar.  I'm not sure what the letter is (located at or near the end) which projects downward so far.

[Arvanitakis]

This is very helpful thank you!

[Arvanitakis]

Just another question from another will - have you come across 'sonne' used to refer to grandson (year 1569)?

I have come across one will of a widow where she refers to all the following as 'sonnes' Moris ap John; John ap John; John ap Rhutherche; Thomas ap Rutherche; John ap Hugh. I know she married a Rhutherche and was old at the time of writing but seems unlikely she also had children by both a John and Hugh?

THanks,
A

[horselydown86]

Just another question from another will - have you come across 'sonne' used to refer to grandson (year 1569)?

While I would never rule it out, I haven't seen an example myself.

The word sonne could be used for:

1)  A natural son born to the testator.

2)  A son-in-law by reason of his marriage to a daughter of the testator.

3)  A son-in-law by reason of being the natural son to a one-time spouse of the testator and another spouse of that spouse.

Does this help with your situation?

[Arvanitakis]

Thank you...that is helpful. Just to check I am right in thinking this says eldest son not grandson?