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Parents of Ronald Barnes
« on: Wednesday 01 April 20 13:18 BST (UK) »
My father was known as Ronald Barnes Richardson, but his official documents say his name is Ronald Barnes. I have found out that he has been probably adopted. What I need help with is the real parents. I have their names but nothing else.
The real parents were Ronald Richardson Barnes and Annie Laura Hopper.
The foster parents were Albert Edward Richardson and Beatrice Emily Eastwood.

I found quite a bit about the bio- parents.

Albert Edward Richardson, life parent,
Melton Mowbray, Leics.
1901 Census: Boarding with many others with the Nickolson family in Hackney, London (Grocers), working as a Grocer's Assistant. Age 22.
1911 Census: 44 Eastbourne Rd S Tottenham N, Middlesex. Married 3 years to Beatrice

Beatrice Emily Eastwood, life parent,
Born Tottenham, Middlesex
1901 Census: Hackney, Stoke Newington
1911 Census: Edmonton, Tottenham, Middlesex

I'm not sure how to narrow down Annie Laura Barnes/Hopper. I haven't found any marriage or birth certificates about her so far.

Could it be possible that Ronald Richardson Barnes could be a fake name? I don't think Richardson is a middle name and there is no marriage certificate I can find.


The life parents didn't have any other children. They married in 1908 according to the census.

Information on his birth certificate:

28th October 1912 at 6 Fairmead Road
Ronald son of Ronald Richardson Barnes, &  Annie Laura Barnes formerly Hopper. Father was a baker of 146 Holmesdale Road South Norwood.  Annie was the informant and gave her address as 6 Fairmead Road.

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Re: Parents of Ronald Barnes
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 April 20 16:49 BST (UK) »
Greetings, and a warm welcome to Rootschat.

I have begun looking at the surname RICHARDSON to see if I can link Ronald to Albert Edward.  They were not brothers, but there may be a cousinly link which I haven't yet found.

For others joining the search - the 1901 Albert Edward age 22 born Melton Mowbray has to be:
(found on the General Register Office website)
RICHARDSON Albert, Sep qtr 1878 Melton Mowbray vol 7a p304, mmn STAPLEFORD
there are several RICHARDSON mmn STAPLEFORD births in Melton Mowbray and his parents could be either:
RICHARDSON John G m Sarah STAPLEFORD Sep qtr 1866 Melton Mowbray vol 7a p393
RICHARDSON Thomas m Mary Ann STAPLEFORD Mar qtr 1875 Melton Mowbray vol 7a p371


I can't find a RICHARDSON-BARNES marriage to link to any birth of a Ronald yet.  The only Ronald born in Leicestershire seems to be:
RICHARDSON Ronald, Dec qtr 1883 Barrow on Soar vol 7a p164, mmn SMITH.

I may be running up a blind alley, but I will keep looking.

Philip
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Re: Parents of Ronald Barnes
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 April 20 16:51 BST (UK) »
Welcome to Rootschat Ronalds  :D

This looks to be a very tough nut to crack, if it gets cracked at all.

I checked the addresses shown on the 1912 birth certificate in the 1911 census.  Neither parent is living at those addresses.  I noted that the Fairmead Road one had a midwife as head of household, so Annie presumably went there to give birth.

As you have discovered there doesn't appear to be any marriage record for Annie and Ronald.

I had a look at the 1911 for just a Ronald, occupation baker and 12 names were listed.  The nearest, if you want to call  it that, was a Ronald Wing born 1890 a baker living in the Croydon area.

I try and see who is living at the Holmsdale Road address in the electoral rolls for 1912 and onwards if I can find it.

I regret to say this may be one where you are not going to be able to find any information to assist you with your quest.  They may well have been using false names and not their birth names.

Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Parents of Ronald Barnes
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 April 20 17:25 BST (UK) »
You may like to check the London electoral rolls for either Annie or Ronald on the Ancestry website. I don't have a sub to Ancestry so can't check for you.  Another Rootschatter may be able to do so if you can't.

All London, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1965
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire


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Re: Parents of Ronald Barnes
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 02 April 20 09:12 BST (UK) »
The parents of the foster parents are RICHARDSON John G m Sarah STAPLEFORD Sep qtr 1866 Melton Mowbray vol 7a p393.
I tried looking for a link with cousins but the closest I found was an Annie Isabel Blande, born 1881, Shoreditch, London, England.

I don't have access to the London electoral rolls so someone else might have to help with that.

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Re: Parents of Ronald Barnes
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 02 April 20 10:08 BST (UK) »

GRO births

BARNES, Evelyn  Winifred Ada Knight     mms.   HOPPER 
1911  JunQ     ISLINGTON  Vol 01B  Page 144

BARNES, Ronald     mms.      HOPPER 
1912  DecQ     ISLINGTON  Vo  01B  Page 270

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Re: Parents of Ronald Barnes
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 02 April 20 10:59 BST (UK) »
Hmm, interesting.  May be worth while getting the birth cert for Evelyn.  This is closer to the 1911 census and may have different addresses to check out.

I'm intrigued by the fact that Evelyn has Knight as one of her names.  That smacks of being a surname, but whose?
Ashford: Somerset, London
England: Devon, London, New Zealand
Holdway: Wiltshire
Hooper: Bristol, Somerset
Knowling: Devon, London
Southcott: Devon, China
Strong: Wiltshire
Watson: Cambridgeshire
White: Bristol
Windo - Gloucestershire, Somerset, Wiltshire

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Re: Parents of Ronald Barnes
« Reply #7 on: Friday 03 April 20 03:08 BST (UK) »


"..I have found out that he has been probably adopted."

How have you done this?


..."real parents"......"foster parents"....."life parents"....."bio-parents"...

I think it would help to have some consistency here..........

maybe....birth parents .....foster parents.

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Re: Parents of Ronald Barnes
« Reply #8 on: Friday 03 April 20 03:35 BST (UK) »
I found out by the birth certificate, he had completely different parents. On a copy of the birth certificate, the last name Richardson was added on a different handwriting. He doesn't look similar to his parents and there is no birth certificate listed with his foster parents.

I think it would be good to have consistency too, I will see if I can update it.