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Re: Nancy CARROLL
« Reply #9 on: Monday 06 April 20 12:49 BST (UK) »
The 1911 census lists at 9b Carfin Road, Wishaw, Parish of Dalziel
Bartho Carroll, head, 48, married, puddler iron trade, born Bothwell
Annie Carroll, wife, 48, married 7 years, 6 children, 4 living, born Cambusnethan
Annie Boreland, daughter, 16, single, shop assistant, born Cambusnethan
Jeanie Boreland, daughter, 12, school, born Bellshill
Mary Carroll, daughter, 5, born Bellshill
Kitty Carroll, daughter, 3, born Bellshill

Bartholomew Carroll married Annie Wilson or Boreland in Glasgow in 1904. At 48, she is unlikely to have had another child after the 1911 census, so it does appear that Nancy can't be Mary's sister unless Annie Boreland was also known as Nancy Carroll, which also seems unlikely.

However there is a death of Annie Watson Wilson or Borland or Carroll, aged 85, in Dalziel in 1953. If this is accurate it would mean she was really only 43 in 1911, and another child is possible.

In 1901 at Borland's Land, Craigneuk, are
Annie Borland, head, widow, 32, grocer, born Wishaw
Annie W Borland, daughter, 7, school, born Wishaw
Jennie M Borland, daughter, 2, born Craigneuk
Joan Borland, under 1 year, born Craigneuk
Elizabeth McIntosh, aunt, widow, 72, born Wishaw

Annie Wilson and John Borland were married in Cambusnethan in 1894.

There is a death in Barrhead in 1998 of an Agnes Carroll, other surname McLaughlin, mother's maiden surname Wilson, aged 84. This implies a birth in 1913/1914, which is just about possible if the younger age for Annie Wilson or Borland or Carroll is correct. However I don't see an obvious marriage, though there are various marriages of Ann Carrol(l)s to McLaughlins and variants, so I may be entirely wrong about her.

(Geography: Most of Motherwell in in the parish of Dalziel. Most of Wishaw is in the parish of Cambusnethan. But Wishaw extends into Dalziel, and Motherwell into Cambusnethan.)

Who was the executor of Mary Carroll's will?

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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Nancy CARROLL
« Reply #10 on: Monday 06 April 20 14:50 BST (UK) »
Forfarian,

Thanks for your very extensive post. I'm afraid that I've put you, and everyone else who's shown an interest, to a lot of un-necessary work, for which I apologize most humbly. The 1901 and 1911 census data I have, but thank you for confirming my findings. What has turned out to be a complete bombshell is the very last sentence in your post, viz. 'Who was the executor of Mary Carroll's Will?'

The Will has been sitting on my desk for some weeks, and I had totally failed to pay any attention to Clause #2 which states:-

I appoint my sisters Catherine Carroll and Nancy Kirby to be Executors and Trustees of this my Will.

Hopefully, this will point me to Nancy's marriage and thence to her birth and who knows what else.

Thank you once again for your interest and massive help.

Apologies for my incompetence.
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: Nancy CARROLL
« Reply #11 on: Monday 06 April 20 16:38 BST (UK) »
From the burial records of Cambusnethan cemetery, Wishaw.

Plot E924.

JOAN P. BORLAND, Motherwell, aged 11 months.
Parents - John P. Borland and Annie Wilson.
Interred in E924 on 20th July 1901.

JOHN P. BORLAND, grocer, Flemington, aged 47 years, married.
Parents - Thomas Borland and Janet Parker.
Interred in E924 on 28th April 1900.

The records I have finish at 1916 but I will find out who else, if anyone, is in that plot after 1900.
I went to the cemetery today and checked but, unfortunately, there is no headstone at this grave.

Paterson, Torrance, Gilchrist - Hamilton Lanarkshire. 
McCallum - Oban, McKechnie - Ross of Mull Argyll.
Scrim - Perthshire. 
Liddell - Polmont,
Binnie - Muiravonside Stirlingshire.
Curran, McCafferty, Stevenson, McCue - Co Donegal
Gibbons, Weldon - Co Mayo.
Devlin - Co Tyrone.


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Re: Nancy CARROLL
« Reply #12 on: Monday 06 April 20 16:50 BST (UK) »
What has turned out to be a complete bombshell is the very last sentence in your post, viz. 'Who was the executor of Mary Carroll's Will?'
The Will has been sitting on my desk for some weeks, and I had totally failed to pay any attention to Clause #2 which states:-
I appoint my sisters Catherine Carroll and Nancy Kirby to be Executors and Trustees of this my Will.
Thank you for the best chuckle I have had today :)

Glad it was helpful!

Agnes Carroll married Charles Ernest Kirby in 1944
Annie Carroll married Gordon Dalton Kirby in 1946.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Nancy CARROLL
« Reply #13 on: Monday 06 April 20 17:46 BST (UK) »
Forfarian
Glad you enjoyed my discomfort! Thanks for your efforts and again, apologies.

Lodger,
Thanks for your interest. I have the relevant certificates but it's nice to learn about the burials.
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: Nancy CARROLL
« Reply #14 on: Monday 06 April 20 21:41 BST (UK) »
The bad news is that the marriage in 1944 of Agnes CARROLL to Charles KIRBY is not ours! Agnes's parents are not the same as those of Mary.
No certificate is available for the marriage of Annie CARROLL to Gordon KIRBY in 1946 because of the '75 - year' rule.
As these are the only 2 recorded marriages of a female CARROLL to a male KIRBY, it looks as if this really is a 'brick wall', at least until January, 2021.
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower

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Re: Nancy CARROLL
« Reply #15 on: Monday 06 April 20 21:49 BST (UK) »
No certificate is available for the marriage of Annie CARROLL to Gordon KIRBY in 1946 because of the '75 - year' rule.
Normally you can order a copy of a post -cutoff certificate to be sent to you.

However they have discontinued this meantime because they are closed because of coronavirus. So you might be able to get a copy before 2021 if the crisis passes. Though by then you might as well wait a few months longer until 2021.
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AITKENHEAD, Lanarkshire; BINNY, Forfar; BLACK, New Monkland; BRYSON, Cumbernauld; BURGESS, North-East Scotland; CRUICKSHANK, Rothes; DALLAS, Botriphnie; DAVIDSON, Oyne; GUTHRIE, Angus; HOGG, Larbert; LESLIE, Rothes/Mortlach; MENDUM, England; MOLLISON, Lethnot; PATERSON, Larbert; RHIND, Forfar; SANG, Scotland; SCOTT, East Kilbride; STOR(R)I/E/Y, Shotts; THORNTON, Shotts; WADDELL, New Monkland; WILKIE, New Monkland; WILKIE, Tannadice; WYLLIE, Angus; YOUNG, Keith

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Re: Nancy CARROLL
« Reply #16 on: Monday 06 April 20 22:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Garlands

Who reported the deaths of parents Bartholomew and Annie?

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Re: Nancy CARROLL
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 07 April 20 09:35 BST (UK) »
Monica,

The short answer is - I don't know. Do you think it would be worth my while to find out? What extra information might it provide?
BENNETT, DAW, DYER, GARLAND, LEAT, SNELL, Devon
CONDY, DREW, GOLDSWORTHY, GONINAN, PENHALURICK, ROWE, TIPPET, WASLEY, Cornwall
NEWMAN, PERRIN, Gloucs
EVANS,  Hereford
BAKER, Somerset
RICHARDS, Brecknock
FRANCIS, Glam
ALBAN, Carmarthen
WILLIAMS, Gower